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Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by stymaar »

phtrivier wrote: post #80
stymaar wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can ask Musk on X. He'll only listen to you if you're a racist conspiracy theorist though.

The first person who builds a successful meme around "fossil fuels are woke and for weak men, only solar-nuclear-punk is for real american machos" will have a vastly positive contribution to the world.

It's still incredible to me that the conservative narrative on this topic is basically that sitting your fat ass in an air-conditioned truck is seen as manly and cycling uphill in the rain is a proof of weakness.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by tastyface »

ffsm8 wrote: post #76
thisisit wrote: post #71

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It is no longer about making good faith claims in court. It is all about RW media dog and pony show. They can make provably false claims in the RW media with - "Do you want China to overtake US in this race?" and still garner support. And even if they lose they can paint the judge as leftist etc. so they have stopped bothering with even trying.

Your focus on "RW" is misguided. The "LW" constantly lie and gaslight too. You probably just don't take offense there because it more closely aligns with your personal world view - or you dismiss it as the ramblings of a madman, without realizing that you aren't doing the same for "RW". It's a sad reality we live in. And it's the same in my country (not American), albeit not as extreme as it is in the US right now.

LW did not elect a convicted rapist who literally tried to overthrow an election that he lost, and now sits on his throne enriching the lives of himself and his family by literal billions.

RW has absolutely no integrity.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by thisisit »

ffsm8 wrote: post #76
thisisit wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is no longer about making good faith claims in court. It is all about RW media dog and pony show. They can make provably false claims in the RW media with - "Do you want China to overtake US in this race?" and still garner support. And even if they lose they can paint the judge as leftist etc. so they have stopped bothering with even trying.

Your focus on "RW" is misguided. The "LW" constantly lie and gaslight too. You probably just don't take offense there because it more closely aligns with your personal world view - or you dismiss it as the ramblings of a madman, without realizing that you aren't doing the same for "RW". It's a sad reality we live in. And it's the same in my country (not American), albeit not as extreme as it is in the US right now.

Ah the whatabboutism strikes again. You talk about X but what about Y?

The sad reality is people have lost the ability to counter the argument and instead counter bias.

Here you instead of countering what was being asserted that this government has knowingly involved in lot of bad faith argument - and there are so many of them - another one is Trump Kennedy center fiasco - trying to muddle the argument with "but LW also does it too" and have no factual argument.

Lets assume LW are the biggest liars in the world and gaslight people. What then? How does it change what is happening here? Just because one party is guilty doesn't mean other is clean.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by sometimelurker »

b800h wrote: post #27

Sorry, Brit here, I'm confused. Why is the plaintiff here the NAACP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism, probably. I think the Flint Michigan water crisis falls into this category but feel free to correct me

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by phtrivier »

Gud wrote: post #55
phtrivier wrote: post #53

It's too bad that AI is only going to solve climate change and cure cancer, it would have been great if it could also cure asthma and solve rampant corruption. Anyway, now that half of HN readers are SpaceX shareholder, directly or indirectly, how do we exercise the supreme power over the company, granted to us by capitalism, to ask the board to replace the turbines by another form of energy production in line with s…

You think Elon Musk would be stupid enough to give away control? He still has >80% of the vote.

No. I think people who seriously took part i SpaceX IPO just bought a very expensive lottery ticket, while pretending that it's "being an SpaceX shareholder".

But it's fun to gamble (a bit) ! My personal limit for lottery ticket is 2€. I hope not too many people invested more than that.

And to be fair, SpaceX is probably the one thing for which Elon deserves the most praise.

There is a universe in which he has not been distracted into madness by twitter (and maybe kept Mrs Riley at his side.)

For all I know, we're already on Mars in this timeline.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by bxk76 »

leonidasrup wrote: post #54
bxk76 wrote: post #17

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Also the law is not static. Things can go back and forth. Out of phase with whatever trends in news cycles. Watch the Germans debating Nuclear phase out over 30 years.

The problem with large scale industry investments like nuclear power plants is that they don't follow easily whatever trends in news cycles. It takes years to build a nuclear power plant, but it takes just a single vote in the parliament to stop it. Or a referendum like in Austria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwentendorf_Nuclear_Power_Plan... So even through some German politicians are currently discussing nuclear…

Not a new problem. If you look at Power sector history world wide if they waited for investors to show up 3/4th of the world wouldnt be electrified. Once something is considered strategic and required even 30 or 50 years from now there are lot of existing ways to amortize costs and get things rolling. Things will move in the backgtound whatever the vote count is saying.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by someguydave »

mikestaas wrote: post #22
Terr_ wrote: post #2

Ugh, what violation of local law can't be excused by specious "national security" claims? > resulting in a corresponding increase in three major air pollutants: Sometimes I wonder how valuable it would be to go to vulnerable areas (ecologically or socio-economically) and record baseline pollution, noise, etc. readings, simply to give future residents some statistical ammunition against some New Thing ruins the old im…

In case you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bP80DEAbuo

Debunked https://open.substack.com/pub/andymasley/p/contra-benn-jorda...

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by classified »

YeahThisIsMe wrote: post #41
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

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> what violation of local law can't be excused by specious "national security" claims? None. If this continues, the economy pivots to profits to the President.

Lmao, you're a little late there.

Came here to say the same.
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