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Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by fc417fc802 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #37
andai wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it just works with Claude Code? They have a guide on their website. https://docs.z.ai/devpack/tool/claude Here's my setup. I add this to my .bashrc export ZAI_API_KEY="your_key_here" alias claudez='ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN="$ZAI_API_KEY" ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=" https://api.z.ai/api/anthropic " ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL="glm-5.2[1m]" ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL="glm-4.7" ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_HAIKU_MODEL="glm-4.7" clau…

Sure, I'm not saying I, a software engineer, cannot do this. I'm saying it's significant onboarding friction . Unless this were a massive differentiator, people aren't going to be "talking about it" the way GP suggests!

You're seriously suggesting that setting up opencode or tweaking your claude code config or etc is too much trouble to be worth saving $50 /mo? That's absurd. Doubly so when the audience in question is already using LLMs so ... just ask your existing LLM for help if it seems daunting.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by petesergeant »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #58

Knowing very little about how to run these, how close are we to medium or larger businesses starting to buy hardware to run models like this to keep the models local? It’s expensive, and not as capable as the frontier models, but would have some pretty big benefits around privacy and agency.

Unless you have genuine national security concerns, you’d be better off just negotiating a commercial agreement with privacy protections with a couple of existing vendors.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by moffkalast »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #58

Knowing very little about how to run these, how close are we to medium or larger businesses starting to buy hardware to run models like this to keep the models local? It’s expensive, and not as capable as the frontier models, but would have some pretty big benefits around privacy and agency.

So far there seems to be one major use-case for complete privacy, and that is legal work. You don't need top of the line models to search vast amounts of text in discovery and it needs to be completely confidential. There's quite a few lawyers over on r/localllama showing off their multi-GPU builds. Coincidentally they also have the vast funding required for it.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by Schiendelman »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #61
Schiendelman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I'm not saying I, a software engineer, cannot do this. I'm saying it's significant onboarding friction . Unless this were a massive differentiator, people aren't going to be "talking about it" the way GP suggests!

You're seriously suggesting that setting up opencode or tweaking your claude code config or etc is too much trouble to be worth saving $50 /mo? That's absurd. Doubly so when the audience in question is already using LLMs so ... just ask your existing LLM for help if it seems daunting.

I'm not just suggesting that, I'm trying to be crystal clear: it's a gap that probably cuts TAM by 95% or more. Most LLM users are not software engineers. Even those that are don't care enough to muck with their settings to try out a model. Keep in mind I'm not answering the question "Is this hard to install?" - I'm answering the question "Why aren't people talking about this?"

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by benjiro29 »

stanac wrote: post #26
unrvl22 wrote: post #4

Why aren't more people talking about this? It's literally Opus 4.7 quality stupid prices. I know providers who are offering this at unlimited tokens for $50 a month. Some are even offering API rates at 3x lower than the official ZAI api rates which are already like 10x cheaper than Opus. (Crof and Umans btw) This is a huge blow to Anthropic/OpenAI/Google and a massive win for the rest of the world. The official API p…

> Some are even offering API rates at 3x lower than the official ZAI api rates Looking at openrouter [1], some of the cheaper offerings are for quantized models. Not sure how much intelligence is lost in quantization. And they are not 3 times cheaper. Where did you find 3x lower prices for APIs? I am considering skipping open router and using them directly for that price. edit: I see, croft [2] 8bit for $0.50/$0.08/$…

Neuralwatt ... When you reverse calculate the actual energy usage / price on a token basis, the gap is large.

I do not have GLM 5.2 numbers because the whole default max setting is overkill. But GLM 5.1 numbers had it at 12x cheaper then API rates. And about 2.5x more tokens vs zai their own subscription service.

Yes, its FP8 but lets be honest, do we know for sure that even zai runs at FP16? I learned a long time ago with Claude and Codex how much cheating happens on model levels, even from the big boys.

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by chen66996 »

andai wrote: post #31
Schiendelman wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer the question in your first sentence - because it's VERY computationally (ha) expensive as a human being to keep up with all the options. It's also very hard to figure out how to run a model like this. There's no installer . If you really really care, which 99% of people do not, you have to google a guide, and then find out it's out of date... I've tried a number of these, and the learning curve is very stee…

But it just works with Claude Code? They have a guide on their website. https://docs.z.ai/devpack/tool/claude Here's my setup. I add this to my .bashrc export ZAI_API_KEY="your_key_here" alias claudez='ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN="$ZAI_API_KEY" ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL=" https://api.z.ai/api/anthropic " ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL="glm-5.2[1m]" ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL="glm-4.7" ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_HAIKU_MODEL="glm-4.7" clau…

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Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by XCSme »

Pragmata wrote: post #56

So this basically means we will have a near opus level model able to be run locally in the next couple of months right? QWEN 3.6 27b is already pretty good, but it should be possible to get a better option now that runs in the same hardware, right?

Which Opus?

GLM-5.2 is already close to Opus-4.7 level:

https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-7-mediu...

Re: GLM-5.2 is the new leading open weights model on Artificial Analysis

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Post by XCSme »

XCSme wrote: post #67
Pragmata wrote: post #56

So this basically means we will have a near opus level model able to be run locally in the next couple of months right? QWEN 3.6 27b is already pretty good, but it should be possible to get a better option now that runs in the same hardware, right?

Which Opus? GLM-5.2 is already close to Opus-4.7 level: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-opus-4-7-mediu...

Oh, or you meant a smaller model than GLM-5.2 with similar capabilities?
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