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GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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post #167

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Disagree, it’s in the country’s best interest to facilitate internal expertise on the full stack and own their “supply chain” so to speak and fight brain drain. The outcome isn’t just the model, it’s the expertise. Otherwise all their smartest folks will depart for countries where LLM development is strongest.

Got it, so every country should focus on having a mediocre-at-best AI strategy by refusing to work together? Surely this will create a better future instead of pooling resources. This vaguely-nationalist world view around tech that’s emerging in Europe is dangerous, man. On the brain drain problem in particular, one way to ensure talent sticks around is to create a good environment for people to do their best work. I…

This "vaguely nationalistic world view around tech" is a direct consequence of the US government weaponizing its leading tech firms reach into the EU for nationalistic purposes.

The EU was build on the principles of collaboration, to overcome the nationalistic impulses. Free trade and free movement of people, no need for everyone to replicate what everyone else is doing. Preventing individual nation states from favoring and supporting their home grown firms over other EU firms is a central legal principle.

But this only works if it is reciprocal. And ideally if the partners are roughly on the same level. When you force developing nations in trade deals to not protect local firms, you are also preventing them from moving up the value chain and locking them into the position of "raw material providers".

When trading with China we know that China has absolutely no qualms supporting its strategic industries with a truck load of subsidies. And it is preventing foreign firms from investing and selling on the domestic market.

For the longest time the US was considered a safe partner though. Sure, plenty of disagreements in the details, but in principle someone whom you can rely on. That idea has been decisevly dismantled over the last 10ish years. The US unilaterally cut of the EMails of EU courts. The US has unilaterally decided that EU partners cannot use Fable/Mythos.

The only reasonable reaction is to make sure that the EU can maintain and create its own critical infrastructure.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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post #203

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>and also the planet. What a glorious day for Canada and, therefore, the world.

I don’t think it’s good that the USA has so much influence due to their dominance in information technology. It was only nominally democratic, now it’s a total shit show.

>total shit show

Are there people legitimately brain-rotted such that they believe stuff like this?

Outside of the constant flow of "hey guys, look at the latest dumb thing Trump did" coming from entertainment outfits posing as news, what are we even talking about? Life goes on as normal for the Americans. You are way too online.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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If Europe is serious about getting home grown AI fast, three simple steps: 1. Huge tax incentives, let the companies get grossly wealthy while paying minimal taxes. Minimum 10 years with clauses protecting "retribution" taxes there after. 2. Tax incentives for the founders/shareholders, just like above. 3. Drop worker protections to a minimum, make it easy to fire people. You only want serious/dedicated employees any…

This "greed is good, and should be rewarded" philosophy is one I see all too often on HN, and the entire reason why Americas political, regulatory, and business leadership have been overrun by the countries most criminally corrupt narcissists and psychopaths; why its democracy has collapsed. When you reward the most selfish, corrupt, and antisocial behaviours with wealth and power, you're guaranteed to create a selfi…

If tax incentives to attract companies and at-will employment are already viewed as a destructive collapse of democracy, it's no wonder we are not getting anything done here in Europe.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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post #117

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Kimi and Qwen come out of China, which means that their training material may be biased e.g. relating to Taiwan [1]. In addition, there is no way to determine what input went into the training, if it was properly licensed, if it was legal (e.g. not contaminated by CSAM), or how the human component of RLHF was sourced - in US models, for example, stories about exploitation like [2] have been floating for years. Assumi…

Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change.

>> Some cultural cliches may never change.

Let’s just gloss over the monstrous amount of copyrighted and pirated material the American labs trained on. China bad. American good. Some cultural cliches never change.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s good that the USA has so much influence due to their dominance in information technology. It was only nominally democratic, now it’s a total shit show.

> total shit show Are there people legitimately brain-rotted such that they believe stuff like this? Outside of the constant flow of "hey guys, look at the latest dumb thing Trump did" coming from entertainment outfits posing as news, what are we even talking about? Life goes on as normal for the Americans. You are way too online.

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Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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If Europe is serious about getting home grown AI fast, three simple steps: 1. Huge tax incentives, let the companies get grossly wealthy while paying minimal taxes. Minimum 10 years with clauses protecting "retribution" taxes there after. 2. Tax incentives for the founders/shareholders, just like above. 3. Drop worker protections to a minimum, make it easy to fire people. You only want serious/dedicated employees any…

Some additional points to consider:

1. Pay the workers in company scrip and relocate the workers to a company town. That way, all workers are fully dedicated to the company.

2. Start importing slaves from Africa again. It worked to build up massive wealth. Should do the trick for AI as well.

3. Abolish the 8 hour work day. No comment needed.

With these 3 simple tricks, you too can get 6-7 bazillion euro AI mammoths.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree, it’s in the country’s best interest to facilitate internal expertise on the full stack and own their “supply chain” so to speak and fight brain drain. The outcome isn’t just the model, it’s the expertise. Otherwise all their smartest folks will depart for countries where LLM development is strongest.

Got it, so every country should focus on having a mediocre-at-best AI strategy by refusing to work together? Surely this will create a better future instead of pooling resources. This vaguely-nationalist world view around tech that’s emerging in Europe is dangerous, man. On the brain drain problem in particular, one way to ensure talent sticks around is to create a good environment for people to do their best work. I…

Hopefully you understand that there's an obvious selection bias you encounter when talking to folks from NL or DE in California. Ofc the people that moved will think there's a good reason for them moving. But people who live here have good reasons for staying here.

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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If Europe is serious about getting home grown AI fast, three simple steps: 1. Huge tax incentives, let the companies get grossly wealthy while paying minimal taxes. Minimum 10 years with clauses protecting "retribution" taxes there after. 2. Tax incentives for the founders/shareholders, just like above. 3. Drop worker protections to a minimum, make it easy to fire people. You only want serious/dedicated employees any…

This "greed is good, and should be rewarded" philosophy is one I see all too often on HN, and the entire reason why Americas political, regulatory, and business leadership have been overrun by the countries most criminally corrupt narcissists and psychopaths; why its democracy has collapsed. When you reward the most selfish, corrupt, and antisocial behaviours with wealth and power, you're guaranteed to create a selfi…

3 Times As Many Europeans Move to the US, than the Other Way Around.

[1]: https://mises.org/mises-wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-...

Re: GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "greed is good, and should be rewarded" philosophy is one I see all too often on HN, and the entire reason why Americas political, regulatory, and business leadership have been overrun by the countries most criminally corrupt narcissists and psychopaths; why its democracy has collapsed. When you reward the most selfish, corrupt, and antisocial behaviours with wealth and power, you're guaranteed to create a selfi…

3 Times As Many Europeans Move to the US, than the Other Way Around. [1]: https://mises.org/mises-wire/3-times-many-europeans-move-us-...

In 2017. Wonder what it's like today.
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