GPT‑NL: a sovereign language model for the Netherlands

Post by blackoil » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 8:14 AM UTC

bradhe wrote: post #167

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Disagree, it’s in the country’s best interest to facilitate internal expertise on the full stack and own their “supply chain” so to speak and fight brain drain. The outcome isn’t just the model, it’s the expertise. Otherwise all their smartest folks will depart for countries where LLM development is strongest.

Got it, so every country should focus on having a mediocre-at-best AI strategy by refusing to work together? Surely this will create a better future instead of pooling resources. This vaguely-nationalist world view around tech that’s emerging in Europe is dangerous, man. On the brain drain problem in particular, one way to ensure talent sticks around is to create a good environment for people to do their best work. I…

Post by Gud » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 8:25 AM UTC

vitalyan123 wrote: post #198

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Why would it have to be mediocre? Both Netherlands and Sweden produce highly competent researchers. Per capita on par with any other location on the planet, including California. This will be good for Europe as a whole and also the planet.

>and also the planet. What a glorious day for Canada and, therefore, the world.

Post by jbverschoor » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 8:26 AM UTC

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NL could simply say: no more ASML machines, and no more ASM wafers.

Any move like this would be simply by murdering the golden goose. ASMLs stuff is good no doubt but you don’t want to give the world the incentive to develop an alternative. If it was done once it can be done again and once it has been done again say good bye to all those returns on monopoly.

Post by j_french » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 8:29 AM UTC

kouteiheika wrote: post #162

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Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change.

> since they were caught stealing it from American labs ...and "good guys" the American labs were caught stealing from authors all over the world[1]. [1]: www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-settlement-pirated-chatbot-training-material

Post by notarobot123 » Wed, Jun 17, 2026, 8:30 AM UTC

bradhe wrote: post #167

appplication wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree, it’s in the country’s best interest to facilitate internal expertise on the full stack and own their “supply chain” so to speak and fight brain drain. The outcome isn’t just the model, it’s the expertise. Otherwise all their smartest folks will depart for countries where LLM development is strongest.

Got it, so every country should focus on having a mediocre-at-best AI strategy by refusing to work together? Surely this will create a better future instead of pooling resources. This vaguely-nationalist world view around tech that’s emerging in Europe is dangerous, man. On the brain drain problem in particular, one way to ensure talent sticks around is to create a good environment for people to do their best work. I…