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DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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You're asking how breaking the law is cheating? If not, can you clarify your question?

It's not breaking the law as xAI are using mobile generators.

As the article mentions under some circumstances trailer mounted generators are not considered stationary and that is the basis of the plaintiffs claim.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

#52

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Because they are all winning. And you are paying for it.

imagine them laughing through the cigar smoke and brandy as someone proposes this

the olden days overlords at least had some class.

Today they’ll be drinking monsters in their sweatpants, alone probably

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

#53
It's too bad that AI is only going to solve climate change and cure cancer, it would have been great if it could also cure asthma and solve rampant corruption.

Anyway, now that half of HN readers are SpaceX shareholder, directly or indirectly, how do we exercise the supreme power over the company, granted to us by capitalism, to ask the board to replace the turbines by another form of energy production in line with science ?

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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The national security and defense arguments are fortunately the only things that protect any forward progress. Without DoD cover, every Starlink launch would be governed by the California Coastal Commission and friends. Frankly, living in the Bay Area, where people use anti-pollution laws to prevent student housing, I think I understand a little the law structure of the United States. It is perhaps analogous to the w…

Also the law is not static. Things can go back and forth. Out of phase with whatever trends in news cycles. Watch the Germans debating Nuclear phase out over 30 years.

The problem with large scale industry investments like nuclear power plants is that they don't follow easily whatever trends in news cycles. It takes years to build a nuclear power plant, but it takes just a single vote in the parliament to stop it. Or a referendum like in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwentendorf_Nuclear_Power_Plan...

So even through some German politicians are currently discussing nuclear phase-in, no investor will invest in nuclear power in Germany, because no investor could be sure that the next or over-next government with participation of German Greens would not again vote for nuclear phase-out.

As much I like some political ideas of German Greens, I understand that for the older generation of Greens, nuclear power is the prime evil which has to banished from face of the Earth and the reason for existence of the German Green party.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

#55

It's too bad that AI is only going to solve climate change and cure cancer, it would have been great if it could also cure asthma and solve rampant corruption. Anyway, now that half of HN readers are SpaceX shareholder, directly or indirectly, how do we exercise the supreme power over the company, granted to us by capitalism, to ask the board to replace the turbines by another form of energy production in line with s…

You think Elon Musk would be stupid enough to give away control? He still has >80% of the vote.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

#56

It's too bad that AI is only going to solve climate change and cure cancer, it would have been great if it could also cure asthma and solve rampant corruption. Anyway, now that half of HN readers are SpaceX shareholder, directly or indirectly, how do we exercise the supreme power over the company, granted to us by capitalism, to ask the board to replace the turbines by another form of energy production in line with s…

That half of HN readers will only have Class A stock which does not hold enough power to overcome Musk's Class B stock that he owns. But you don't need capitalism to ask the board to do something. You can ask Musk on X.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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"Mobile" generators that are sitting in one place and not moving.

That is how mobile generators operate in 99% of situations. "Mobile" is referring to how the generator can be transported to different locations to be used where power is needed.

No, “mobile generators” are not constantly powered at one location.

Typically they are unused in storage and brought to location without power. It could be a warehouse with sensitive equipment (freezers etc), a hospital in need of extra power etc.

This is clearly a case of abuse and people should go to jail for wrecking the planet.

I work in the energy sector and I’ve done routine maintenance on backup generators, including work on the diesel engines.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

#58

Does AGR tech work on methane turbine generators? Shouldn't all methane-powered equipment have this AGR (or similar) new emission reduction technology? From https://www.ornl.gov/news/add-device-makes-home-furnaces-cle... : > ORNL’s award-winning ultraclean condensing high-efficiency natural gas furnace features an affordable add-on technology that can remove more than 99.9% of acidic gases and other emissions. The te…

> There's also turquoise hydrogen; H Hydrogen from Methane CH4. But then what do you do with the CO2?

There is no CO2. It produces carbon instead.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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That is how mobile generators operate in 99% of situations. "Mobile" is referring to how the generator can be transported to different locations to be used where power is needed.

No, “mobile generators” are not constantly powered at one location. Typically they are unused in storage and brought to location without power. It could be a warehouse with sensitive equipment (freezers etc), a hospital in need of extra power etc. This is clearly a case of abuse and people should go to jail for wrecking the planet. I work in the energy sector and I’ve done routine maintenance on backup generators, in…

>No, “mobile generators” are not constantly powered at one location.

xAI temporarily has these generators at the location. It's not meant to be constantly be there.

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