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Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #12
fy20 wrote: post #7

Is the plan to use the gas turbines temporarily until the grid connection is upgraded?

“Temporarily”

It IT there is nothing more permanent than a temporary fix.

That being said, why don’t utilities provide power when it is needed and make peopke wait for months or years on end? I don’t think it is cheaper to run on generators for months/years.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by cryptonym »

fy20 wrote: post #7

Is the plan to use the gas turbines temporarily until the grid connection is upgraded?

They don't care much about connecting it to the grid. They'll take whatever is available and cheaper. If gas turbine on trucks are somehow cheaper (reduced regulation, taxation, planning...) than grid, that'll stay as-is in the foreseeable future. Once you spent billions on turbines and gas contracts, you most likely won't connect to the grid overnight.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by nerdsniper »

b800h wrote: post #27

Sorry, Brit here, I'm confused. Why is the plaintiff here the NAACP?

We are confused here too. Really could be any large enough group I suppose as long as it contains a lot of members living near the turbines.

I suspect because these data centers are usually placed in areas where land and labor are very cheap, which in some/many states are predominantly black(er) areas.

Really though, the USA has been chipping away at the ability for groups like these to show “standing” so its mildly impressive that this case got this far.

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Post by nerdsniper »

charcircuit wrote: post #28
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking how breaking the law is cheating? If not, can you clarify your question?

It's not breaking the law as xAI are using mobile generators.

Exactly their point.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by MallocVoidstar »

charcircuit wrote: post #28
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking how breaking the law is cheating? If not, can you clarify your question?

It's not breaking the law as xAI are using mobile generators.

"Mobile" generators that are sitting in one place and not moving.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by jmyeet »

holistio wrote: post #14

It's a matter of time before people start rioting against these national and energy security matters also known as data centres.

And watch them get charged with terrorism. Anti-nuke protestors who did no real harm were charged under 18 USC 1361 and faced up to 25 years in prison [1]. “Sabotage” here means over $1.000 in damage.

[1]: https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2019/11/20/...

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by protocolture »

trhway wrote: post #30
x______________ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The company, which is now a division of SpaceX, is likely to buy more generators in the coming months or years. In SpaceX’s IPO filing, the company said that it will buy another $2.8 billion worth of gas turbines to power its AI data centers over the next three years. Of that, at least $2 billion are earmarked for “mobile gas turbines.” SpaceX, the new Tesla... who saw that coming? :(

I'd not be surprised if SpaceX/Elon will start manufacturing those turbines. They do have necessary engineering and manufacturing chops.

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Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by westurner »

Does AGR tech work on methane turbine generators?

Shouldn't all methane-powered equipment have this AGR (or similar) new emission reduction technology?

From https://www.ornl.gov/news/add-device-makes-home-furnaces-cle... :

> ORNL’s award-winning ultraclean condensing high-efficiency natural gas furnace features an affordable add-on technology that can remove more than 99.9% of acidic gases and other emissions. The technology can also be added to other natural gas-driven equipment.

Develop an AGR Acidic Gas Reduction add-on part for methane turbines?

Would (Solar Turbines,) consider selling an AGR emissions limiting product or add-on?

ScholarlyArticle: "Nondestructive neutron imaging diagnosis of acidic gas reduction catalyst after 400-Hour operation in natural gas furnace" (2023) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13858...

FWIU basically no generators have a catalytic converter, because catalytic converters require computer-controlled fuel ignition.

There's also turquoise hydrogen; H Hydrogen from Methane CH4.

Re: DOJ claims xAI's gas turbines are a matter of 'national and energy security'

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Post by westurner »

westurner wrote: post #39

Does AGR tech work on methane turbine generators? Shouldn't all methane-powered equipment have this AGR (or similar) new emission reduction technology? From https://www.ornl.gov/news/add-device-makes-home-furnaces-cle... : > ORNL’s award-winning ultraclean condensing high-efficiency natural gas furnace features an affordable add-on technology that can remove more than 99.9% of acidic gases and other emissions. The te…

> There's also turquoise hydrogen; H Hydrogen from Methane CH4.

But then what do you do with the CO2?

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