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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by atollk »

bigiain wrote: post #248

I have two questions, if anyone has any advice. 1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage? 2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's co…

Any phone that is good enough with stock Android for your case is good enough with Graphene. If you really just want to try it out, it's the cheapest old Pixel *a you can find.

Checking which phones are supported by Lineage and Graphene can be done by everyone in a matter of minutes.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by portly »

Cub3 wrote: post #222
darkteflon wrote: post #50

~Happy iPhone user for almost 20 (!) years. This has got me seriously thinking about picking up a Pixel.

I feel like you'd be taking on a lot of pain for no real benefits though?

I did this half a year ago and it was fine for me. One of the benefits is of course privacy. For instance, I noticed that ads get completely out of touch which proved to me that I'm being tracked less.

Also never have that feeling anymore that my phone is spying on me.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by distances »

cyberax wrote: post #243
y2244 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tap to pay is mostly NFC? So is there an alternative app?

I extracted a chip (by dissolving the plastic in acetone) from my card and glued it to the wriststrap of my Pebble watch :)

When using contactless payment with my card, about 10% of the time the payment terminal tells me to insert the card to the reader slot instead and enter my PIN. I assumed this is a general security feature, but I guess it depends on the issuing bank then. This in Europe.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by pomian »

bigiain wrote: post #248

I have two questions, if anyone has any advice. 1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage? 2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's co…

We Have been successfully using graphene on a pixel 4 plus, 5 plus and a 6pro. They all work. Very well. They were cheap to buy. Super easy to install graphene (remember they have a very easy stepu by step process, takes about 10 minutes) It's a good way to test and see if you like it. Truly amazing operating system. Simple and beautiful control of your apps and their behaviors.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by microtonal »

NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #115
phreack wrote: post #84

That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security. I know that's not the case really, but there's very few ways to successfully degoogle otherwise.

This is a thing now https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/volla-os/

Posting about Volla in a GrapheneOS thread is... I guess courageous?

They are kind of the opposite of GrapheneOS. Ancient kernel trees, ancient firmware bundles, etc. And since downstreams like /e/OS just take their kernels/firmware, they are ancient as well. Using Volla phones opens you up to a lot of known vulnerabilities.

Besides that, Volla is basically a marketing company (with some external contractors) that does Eurowashing. E.g. one of their phones (Quintus) is a phone designed by an Emirates company, produced by a Chinese ODM, marked up by 500 Euro by Volla (they probably turn some screws and flash the firmware to be able to call it 'from Germany'. You can get the same 719 Euro phone here for ~160 Euro:

https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-M...

I don't understand why people do free promotion for Volla, given that they are mostly snake oil salesmen.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by hparadiz »

microtonal wrote: post #245
hparadiz wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Commercially, this makes sense. Does it though? The people in this thread are like "just use a card". Well I've done that for years and had my card skimmed, lost, and stolen over the years. The cost wasn't trivial either. The credit card company knocked it off my balance but also lost on sales when I didn't have my card while they issued me a new one. It cost the credit card company actual money in both lost sales…

Does skimming still happen a lot? At least in Europe we have switched from magnetic strip to chip-based cards, which are protected against replay attacks.

We have chips but magnetic strips are still on most credit cards and payments are still accepted that way in many older payments gateways. From what I read on the topic the cost of lost business if this was disabled is greater than eating the cost of skimmer attacks. There is a several year plan to phase it out entirely. It's mostly because initially when chips came out a lot of business owners were angry that they had to buy new payment machines and good luck explaining this to a none tech person.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by IdiotSavage »

bigiain wrote: post #249
jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Memories of Apple force pushing a U2 album to everyone's iPod (or maybe iPhone) back in the day.

Or the more recent memory of the F1 ad pushed via the wallet app.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by microtonal »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #242
lucb1e wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything they offer for security that's not also in AOSP/LineageOS/eOS/stock/etc. Which is not to say that's not enough for most people, but why highlight them? It doesn't seem comparable to the laser-focus GrapheneOS has on security

Not GP, but Volla phones are cool in that they officially support running proper Linux[1], so you could just use Linux instead of Android if that's enough for your needs. And you can still boot into their de-Googled Android if you need to run Android apps. [1] https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/

Volla just Eurowashes/rebadges other low to midrange phones at a huge markup. E.g., the Volla Phone Quintus is:

https://www.amazon.ae/Android-Smartphone-Storage-Octa-Core-M...

(If you don't believe it from the identical specs and design, you can look at the committers in their kernel trees and it is basically maintained by Daria people.)

Their new Plinius model is just the Gigaset GS6 with a 250 Euro markup:

https://www.gigaset.com/gigaset-gs6/

At least this is made by a German company, though Gigset is Chinese-owned now.

At any rate, these are just rebadged phones and IIRC, but don't hold me to it, in both cases the original phones also support bootloader unlocking.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by binarin »

Gigachad wrote: post #267
dlenski wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've just refused to install such things on my phone. You want me to have email and teams/slack on my phone? Sorry, I won't install the spyware. Want to pay for me to have a second phone with it? Okay. No? Well then, I just won't have email on my phone.

Sure if you are in a strong stable position in life you can do that. The average person doesn’t want to rock the boat and cause troubles in their life so they install the invasive mdm profile. It needs to be made illegal imo. The company should provide you a device if you need one for the job.

My company MDM doesn't consider GrapheneOS good enough to give me access to email/calendar - impasse?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by LeoPanthera »

bigiain wrote: post #249
jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Memories of Apple force pushing a U2 album to everyone's iPod (or maybe iPhone) back in the day.

That was a hilariously tone-deaf incident, but it's hardly comparable. Google pushed ads. Apple gave you a free album.
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