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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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> Apple really cashed in on privacy for a few years Apple didn't "cash in", their marketing dept made sure privacy/security engineering got just enough budget to pull off miracles & then spend even more to successfully make the public forget about the very nasty Celebgate.

> Celebgate That was a phishing campaign, not a breach.

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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This is a thing now https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/volla-os/

I don't see anything they offer for security that's not also in AOSP/LineageOS/eOS/stock/etc. Which is not to say that's not enough for most people, but why highlight them? It doesn't seem comparable to the laser-focus GrapheneOS has on security

Not GP, but Volla phones are cool in that they officially support running proper Linux[1], so you could just use Linux instead of Android if that's enough for your needs. And you can still boot into their de-Googled Android if you need to run Android apps.

[1] https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Yes, you install the Google Play store via the GrapheneOS App Store. The OS comes with like 5 apps out of the box. The rest is up to you. Biggest caveats that I've encountered: tap to pay via Google Wallet is a no go, Android Auto can be flaky, MDM managed work profiles don't work at the moment, and some apps that use the Google Play integrity API fail to validate and refuse to work (I've only encountered one app tha…

Tap to pay is mostly NFC? So is there an alternative app?

I extracted a chip (by dissolving the plastic in acetone) from my card and glued it to the wriststrap of my Pebble watch :)

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I don't. GrapheneOS is worth the effort of pulling a card out of my wallet.

It's infuriating that they won't do this for non Google Android. It's in the best interest of both the bank and the card owner. Credential theft risk goes down to basically zero when backed by a fingerprint authenticated virtual card.

What do you mean by credential theft? Stealing the numbers on the card or a malicious person triggering the contactless payment?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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> Banks don't want the headache of supporting multiple weird phone OSes and it's understandable. Commercially, this makes sense. I am surprised that most nations of the whole world are fine with every citizen relying on one of two american companies for their lifestyle interactions though. I would have thought more nations would legislate their banks must support other options for sheer sovereign resilience.

> Commercially, this makes sense. Does it though? The people in this thread are like "just use a card". Well I've done that for years and had my card skimmed, lost, and stolen over the years. The cost wasn't trivial either. The credit card company knocked it off my balance but also lost on sales when I didn't have my card while they issued me a new one. It cost the credit card company actual money in both lost sales…

Does skimming still happen a lot? At least in Europe we have switched from magnetic strip to chip-based cards, which are protected against replay attacks.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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That sounds like the answer is actually yes: we're not talking about the lack of a camera app, but the lack of a camera app that knows the details of the usually-proprietary camera firmware

You can install both the regular GCam as well as third party mods. Actual GCam feels worse to me.

Problem with stock Google camera app is that it made horrible HDRlike images even with HDR turned off. You cannot adjust amount of reduced highlights and increased shadows which makes images unrealistic with lack of depth.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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There is no replacement. Strap a credit card to the back of your phone or pay cash.

Use a solvent to dissolve the plastic from the card then epoxy the extracted antenna and chip innards to the back of your phone case. Problem solved. (I'm only 50% joking, you can actually do this but maybe epoxy isn't the best option.)

Somewhat similar, Polar sells a band with an NFC payment chip in it (no experience, just saw it the other day):

https://support.polar.com/en/payment-wristband

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I have two questions, if anyone has any advice.

1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage?

2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's compatible to Graphene and/or still a going thing?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Memories of Apple force pushing a U2 album to everyone's iPod (or maybe iPhone) back in the day.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Any issues with banking insurance or healthcare applications?

Why would you use app for actual insuranceb or even healthcare?
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