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Running local models is good now

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Re: Running local models is good now

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Have you tried optimizing for MLX? It seems like a waste to have neural cores and not use them. I've often wondered why the hype around apple neural core when 99% of software doesn't use them.

Yeah, first think I looked for on the post was MLX and it wasn't there.

https://github.com/ml-explore/mlx-lm

Having used half the systems that Vicki mentioned, mlx was the best balance between power and ease of use. Just a pip install away.

Re: Running local models is good now

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I think this is overselling their capabilities. I've used Gemma 4 and Qwen 3.6 quite a bit on my strix halo home server. They're great models and the dense variants are significantly better, but they're still very far behind the frontier. If you boot up Gemma 4 MoE and OpenCode/Pi and expect to perform anything like Claude Code or Codex you're going to be very disappointed.

You need to switch out the prompts and work with it differently.

I posted this yesterday https://github.com/day50-dev/petsitter

I use it with https://github.com/day50-dev/simple-llm-cli

And modify the "tricks" until my evals get to good numbers. It's a model by model basis.

This is what the larger firms are doing - they have custom prompts per model

Re: Running local models is good now

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This is the kind of thing that Anthropic et al should be worried about. As it becomes easier and easier to run local models, the ceiling of what they'll be able to charge will get lower and lower. Not that nobody will be willing to pay $$$$$ per month, but a lot of people are going to multiply the per-month charge by 12 or 24 and say "Could I set up a local model for less than that, and have it pay for itself within…

The opposite of that has been happening for 20 years now with cloud compute. It won't happen with AI models either. It's almost ingrained in the American business model now. Outsource everything. Nobody wants to manage a room full of servers when they can spend 2-3x as much and outsource that headache along with the responsibility for it. Same will happen with AI. Whether that means paying Anthropic that premium or p…

on prem cloud is harder because of the scale up and scale down requirements. If you are a growing business which most decent ones are, you constantly have to think about that.

Re: Running local models is good now

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Hard to guarantee it's private if you don't keep it local... I don't have a lot of trust for companies in this space.

Yes, but I think that'll change eventually. If you trust hosting your code with a specific cloud provider then you'll probably also trust them for code assist. At least that's my theory. There'll probably need to be a threat of massive litigation should they fail to comply with such a policy.

> Yes, but I think that'll change eventually.

Maybe people will trust companies, but those companies will rarely deserve that trust. Anyone that pays attention sees breach announcements almost every day. Security is never a concern for these companies until it embarrasses them. Then, as soon as the negative attention fades, security again becomes the second to last priority.

Do not trust companies with any data that is important to you unless the effective management of that data is required by law, and the laws are comprehensive.

Re: Running local models is good now

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The opposite of that has been happening for 20 years now with cloud compute. It won't happen with AI models either. It's almost ingrained in the American business model now. Outsource everything. Nobody wants to manage a room full of servers when they can spend 2-3x as much and outsource that headache along with the responsibility for it. Same will happen with AI. Whether that means paying Anthropic that premium or p…

> Everyone wants to shuck the chore and the responsibility. Which gives all the power to the big techs. I'll never understand why the average company seems to have no problem with this.

It's a longstanding management principle, so old that people may not even say it explicitly any more, which states "focus on your core competencies," the corollary of which is "outsource anything that is not a core competency."

I can see how it makes sense for companies, because money is "only money" but an ongoing operational distraction can be much more costly, as in, it can be detrimental to the success of the overall business.

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> DGX Spark-alike is really just asking for trouble. Prefill kills perf. You're right that prefill kills perf, but shrug the GB10 has far more compute than it has memory bandwidth, so prefill isn't it's bottleneck.

I've seen the same, Sparks are great at non time-sensitive tasks. if you can set up a agentic loop that does not require human intervention, you can design around the memory bandwidth limitations

The other benefit is that speculative decoding literally trades compute to make up for low bandwidth, so MTP/EAGLE/DFlash are unreasonably effective on the GB10 IMO, as long as your use case fits it.

I’m getting 40tk/s decode with 1000+tk/prefill with a 198B-A11B model on mine

Re: Running local models is good now

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> The best "free" experience I've found is using OpenCode with Big Pickle. I have absolutely zero interest in free. I honestly don't think I'm even remotely in the same demographic as people using free tiers / models. I want to pay. I don't want my data used for training. I want it to be open. I want it to be consistently up (more than Claude!). I want it to be fast. I don't want it to be subsidized as that's just an…

You can pay, and also use deepseek-v4-flash. OpenRouter even lets you "block" or limit your usage to providers that don't train on data. Since the weights are open, other companies are already serving the model on non-DeepSeek owned hardware: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash

> OpenRouter even lets you "block" or limit your usage to providers that don't train on data.

More than that, they have various zero data retention options and provide a convenient json list of them.

Re: Running local models is good now

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Sure, but it's also not really out of scale with the cost of a shop tool in other trades. If you're a professional that's confident in a positive return on the investment (optimal or not), or just a hobbyist with the luxury budget for a "shop" that cost is well within norms. That's not everybody, of course, but it's not some inconceivable fantasy. A lot of people in the tech community here on HN, specifically, end up…

But you can get that return from a paid service too, in fact it'll be better. So just comparing costs, what's the annualized ROI on the Mac Studio assuming it means you avoid paying $240/y for Claude? Cause I can always set aside the Mac's price in some investments and pay for Claude out of that.

Hosted is still much cheaper and you get a better model. Some day I imagine the gap will close but it hasn't yet.
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