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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by pesus »

enragedcacti wrote: post #178
naturalmovement wrote: post #136

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There's a lot of collateral damage that could have been avoided if millions weren't being squandered on dubious "science" like studying grooming habits of trans aboriginals in the Central African Republic (a made-up scenario, but there are many like it). At some point the baby's going to be thrown out with the bath water until the course is corrected.

Seriously, when our tax dollars pay for idiots to play around with lizard spit[1] all day, why should we trust anything they want to fund? [1] https://biomedical-sciences.uq.edu.au/article/2024/04/rise-o...

What's next, paying them to study worms??

https://www.wgal.com/article/new-world-screwworm-pennsylvani...

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by jandrewrogers »

panny wrote: post #144
epistasis wrote: post #68

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The other thing they've done is make it possible to cancel any grant at any time if it goes against the politics of the current executive administration. Science has flourished in the US precisely because it could proceed without whimsical political picking and choosing, entire areas of science have flourished that would never have happened otherwise. That's not to say that politics is completely out of science, Cong…

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The vast majority of carbon sources and sinks can be attributed. Even the sinks are probably 80+% attributed at this point despite being more difficult to identify via remote sensing.

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Post by Jtsummers »

epistasis wrote: post #172
peyton wrote: post #141

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What COVID research shutdowns are you talking about? That's too vague to understand, it could mean anything of any sort of political motivation! But with COVID specifically, there's an entire industry devoted to feeding fake conspiracies, so you'll have to be very specific in order for anybody to agree with you.

It's pretty clear that peyton is just trolling this discussion right now.

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Post by gpm »

st-keller wrote: post #171
xg15 wrote: post #73

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Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

If you want to be an authoritarian ruler, truth is the first thing you have to eliminate! If noone knows what is true, a leader can tell you what to believe! Science is our method to determine truth! A führer cannot have that!

More than that if you're a professor (and thus an educator for the next generation) you're now incentivized to modify your speech in favour of the authoritarian in order to keep getting funding.

I wouldn't underestimate the degree to which funding to these is being cut because climate scientists have historically been politically opposed to certain large republican donors that make their fortunes burning fossil fuels.

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Post by simonerlic »

I worked directly with the Ocean Networks Canada team for my engineering capstone project- they're a fantastic crew who are really clearly dedicated to providing open access to their data (they have a free API if you want to play with it!)

It's honestly a shame that this happened, but I hope they can use it to give a compelling argument for more funding in the future to expand the network (and make up the loss of data)

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Post by jandrewrogers »

panny wrote: post #180
enragedcacti wrote: post #161

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Call me crazy, but I think climate scientists can enumerate major carbon sources and sinks. Unfortunately your comment is so vague that I can't tell if you're referring to a specific thing some person said or if you're just imagining a guy to be mad at.

>I think climate scientists can enumerate major carbon sources and sinks Science has no idea where 2-3 gigatons of carbon go every year. That's a BIG number. And it is a big deal. And it has been missing for decades now. All the time you were calling someone a science denier, you've been completely unaware that you can't even account for all the major carbon sources/sinks. https://www2.nau.edu/~gaud/bio326/class/ecos…

> Science has no idea where 2-3 gigatons of carbon go every year. That's a BIG number.

That's a big number and a small percentage. The latter is what matters.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

throwawaypath wrote: post #95
morkalork wrote: post #85

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It's a good measure of scale. The USA is paying Iran an amount that is 1/3rd of its military budget in reparations because they "won".

No, that was fake news. The 300 billion dollars isn't coming from the US.

How would you even know that? We haven't seen the agreement yet.

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Post by gwerbin »

_fs wrote: post #72
rjrjrjrj wrote: post #31

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These sensors and a bunch of other scientific research for a thousand years, or pointless war with Iran for 3 months.

Cost has nothing to do with it. This was all laid out in the project 2025 manifesto. Burn it all down with no regard to money previously invested. Makes it harder for future administrations to rebuild. Halting the collection of data is not enough. Maintenance is 5% or less of the cost to deploy new. If they destroy it, it makes the cost to rebuild (including having to re-seek congressional approval) that much harder…

And if they do accidentally destroy something that they want, it can be rebuilt by a private contractor friendly to the administration.
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