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Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by ssl-3 »

mmooss wrote: post #13

A relatively simple generic device, mounted on a car's interior ceiling, seems possible: It would project light 'dots' below onto everything the user looks at. Using the car's momentum, the dot movement could be mechanical, though you'd need power for the light. Not every passenger would want to see the dots; their range could be restricted to the user's seating area or narrower - the user placing objects under the d…

There may be a way to do this with a point-source light (a focused LED, or maybe an appropriate laser), and a diffraction grating (which may be already exist in stage lighting world). Such that when the parts move relative to eachother, the projected dots move across the car's interior.

In terms of controls, it seems likely that it should seek to emulate whatever it is that goes on inside the inner ear, so that the input from our eyes better-matches the input from our ears.

I don't know how Apple's dots work (and I don't think my singular iOS device is new enough to try), but if they only respond to acceleration, then doing it this way should help establish mechanical limits: The acceleration (in any direction) of a car is finite, and always returns to zero.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by modeless »

They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough.

Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mention VR and even regular gaming to some degree. There ought to be an industry effort to fund research.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by davidw »

modeless wrote: post #62

They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough. Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mentio…

It'd be interesting to gather some actual statistics. I can't look at a screen for more than a minute as a passenger without starting to feel a twinge in my gut.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by jlv2 »

Pfhortune wrote: post #18
advisedwang wrote: post #14

Seems like there's a few android equivalents: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid... And even one that claims to work with sound: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1... EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.

If you're like me and want an open or non-google-play alternative to these, this is available on F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/dev.davidv.motionsickness/ I can't vouch for it (yet) but am going to give it a try!

This one works well. Small, simple, no ads, open source.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by modeless »

davidw wrote: post #63
modeless wrote: post #62

They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be. It seems a bit rough. Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mentio…

It'd be interesting to gather some actual statistics. I can't look at a screen for more than a minute as a passenger without starting to feel a twinge in my gut.

Supposedly 1/3 of people are "highly susceptible".

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by davidw »

modeless wrote: post #65
davidw wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be interesting to gather some actual statistics. I can't look at a screen for more than a minute as a passenger without starting to feel a twinge in my gut.

Supposedly 1/3 of people are "highly susceptible".

And of those, how many does this help, and how much? Like does this mean I could look at a map application while my wife drives for a few minutes and be ok? Or does it help a lot of people be able to read for a long time?

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by modeless »

davidw wrote: post #66
modeless wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supposedly 1/3 of people are "highly susceptible".

And of those, how many does this help, and how much? Like does this mean I could look at a map application while my wife drives for a few minutes and be ok? Or does it help a lot of people be able to read for a long time?

In my family, Apple's implementation helps only a small amount if at all. I'd also love to see some real statistics. What I think is really missing is coverage of peripheral vision, so maybe a similar feature built into AR glasses could be a real solution.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by advisedwang »

sowbug wrote: post #42
ramraj07 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful with these apps. The permissions they ask for are quite expansive.

You're correct, but there's a good reason: they need to draw over other apps to do what they do. So it's not necessarily nefarious. But it is an excellent reason to build the functionality into the OS. (The reason the permission is so dangerous is they can trick you into pressing the wrong button by relabeling dangerous text with innocuous text.)

The presence of a good reason is exactly why you have to be so careful. Creating an app with a legitimate reason to request permission, only to also abuse it, is a great strategy for an attacker.

Re: Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

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Post by apparent »

ms7m wrote: post #52
apparent wrote: post #49

I wonder if this could work on computers, not just smartphones/tablets. Presumably so, assuming they have enough motion sensors. Could a third party dev build it, or is it something that only Apple can build?

This works really well in the Tesla Ubers here in NYC when i'm working on my MacBook :)

Ah, didn't realize it was on MacOS. I had only seen the announcement about mobile devices.

Do you find it is more/less effective on different kinds of devices?

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