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iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

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Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#11

Post by fumar »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

I feel the same way about Snow Leopard. I try to ignore all the things that alter my OSX experience. Like; launchpad, the lack of "proper spaces", and saving files.

Overall, I prefer to use my old Macbook with Snow Leopard, than my new iMac. It is a sad state. Sometimes, I feel like I should not be "that" guy stuck in the past. But, I dislike the iOS-fication of OSX.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#12

Post by r00fus »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

Thing is, it still is cmd+space away. Launchpad would make sense if it was easier to "configure", but I simply ignore it... my parents however, really like it.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#13

Post by mitchty »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

And you can ignore Launchpad in Lion and Mountain Lion as if it were Snow Leopard.

Honestly, I don't notice most of the changes. And full screen mode for apps is much better than expanding a window to fit the screen.

Granted all I really use is chrome/firefox/emacs/terminal but really I don't see why everyone continues to whine about the changes. They're minimal to non-existent to users like us.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#14

Post by mitchty »

alex_c wrote: post #10
benbeltran wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many regular users beg to differ. At least, in my experience, the people who are less familiar with computers are the ones that love the new features the most. Especially launchpad and such. Also, just curious, but what about Lion / Mountain lion disqualifies it from being a "true" desktop OS?

The reversed scrolling direction jumps to mind. Minor in the large scheme of things, but it shows a conscious move towards combining the desktop and mobile concepts.

The thing is, on a trackpad it makes more sense now after getting used to our phones touch.

Also its a quick defaults away to change back to the old way.

defaults write -g com.apple.swipescrolldirection -bool false

I find it amusing that on a site like Hacker News people are complaining about vastly simple things to change. If they remove the choice maybe then complain, but this is a vast non-issue compared to the tweaking I have to do on linux.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#15

Post by w1ntermute »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

With Windows 8, the same thing is happening to Windows, leaving Linux as the only real "desktop" OS. Even there, you have stuff like Unity, but Linux's flexibility lets you choose not to use it. This is what my Xubuntu desktop looks like, and I don't intend to change it any time soon: http://i.imgur.com/mVAey.png

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#16

Post by grecy »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

I've never understood why people complain about features being added they don't use/want/need.

Don't use it.

You're like a person complaining about the addition of seat belts in cars that doesn't want to use one, or a person complaining about the addition of world time zones to your phone when you never leave your own timezone.

Don't use it.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#17

Post by roc »

pavlov wrote: post #4

[...] however iTunes’ new display of Apps is horrid; every app icon has an ugly faux-perspective bevel that just doesn’t seem to work. I don't understand what the author is referring to here. The screenshot looks just like I remember iOS app icons looking -- they've always had that canned bevel+gloss look applied to them. Overall, the new iTunes makes me think that Apple keeps inching towards the Metro look. Gradient…

I can't see Apple following Microsoft into a UI language that dispatches with affordance to the point that users are confused as to what's an actionable UI element and what isn't.

I agree they're going that way; to a definitely more-modern, understated look. But I think the big difference is going to be that they hold onto visual contrast precisely where Microsoft has let it go and/or confused it.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#18

Post by Osmium »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #5
purephase wrote: post #2

Funny, the one thing that is making we more and more wary of using Mac OSX in the future is the convergence of iOS. Different strokes, I guess. It just seems odd to celebrate it.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

You can ignore features like Launchpad if you don't want them; I do. You can also revert scrolling behaviour, disable word suggestions and autocorrect, disable "all my files", simply not enable social media integration. These aren't hidden preferences, they're just a second away in system preferences.

Meanwhile, by sticking to Snow Leopard, you miss out on:

* Robust full disk encryption (and the underlying filesystem improvements that allowed it to happen)

* Improved security (e.g. kernel ASLR, signed apps -- if you want them, sandboxing)

* Much improved user apps (Safari, Preview, QuickTime to name a few)

* Recovery partitions for improved disaster recovery

* Access to the App Store (edit: I'd forgotten you can get this on 10.6 too, though I couldn't speak to how many apps still support 10.6)

* For developers, there've been improvements to Objective-C, including the addition of ARC and simpler syntax

Snow Leopard is starting to look really old now, and as far as I can tell the only unavoidable difference is that Spaces acts differently. It's a big sacrifice to make just for that.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#19

Post by makira »

Osmium wrote: post #18
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

You can ignore features like Launchpad if you don't want them; I do. You can also revert scrolling behaviour, disable word suggestions and autocorrect, disable "all my files", simply not enable social media integration. These aren't hidden preferences, they're just a second away in system preferences. Meanwhile, by sticking to Snow Leopard, you miss out on: * Robust full disk encryption (and the underlying filesystem…

Mac App Store works fine on 10.6.8.

Re: iTunes 11: the convergence of iOS and OS X design

#20

Post by jlgreco »

benbeltran wrote: post #7
ComputerGuru wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely agreed. Snow Leopard was the last "true" desktop OS. I really don't see the need for Launchpad and co. when everything is and always has been a cmd+space away. EDIT In response to the heated discussion below, it's not just the launchpad that has me a little peeved about Lion and ML (I'm on ML now). Some of things that are being taken from iOS that I don't necessarily feel belong on the desktop: natural scr…

Many regular users beg to differ. At least, in my experience, the people who are less familiar with computers are the ones that love the new features the most. Especially launchpad and such. Also, just curious, but what about Lion / Mountain lion disqualifies it from being a "true" desktop OS?

The 90s seem like they would have been a good time to worry about users who don't really know what computers are. Why are we now driving for that market when everyone under the age of 30 grew up using modern computers? Are we still gunning from the mostly imaginary "grandmother who doesn't know how to use computers" market? The market that 1) is only shrinking, if indeed it ever existed and 2) presumably doesn't buy computers...

Makes about as much sense as designing all cars in the 50s for people who grew up with horses. While those people are certainly still alive, it is a business strategy decades out of place.

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