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What happened to nerds?

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Re: What happened to nerds?

#501
Woz really does seem to be both a brilliant and nice guy.

Steve Jobs was brilliant and complicated with many down sides, but he also seemed to have good taste and to care about user experience as well as good design, and his era at Apple produced exceptional products that redefined their categories: Mac, iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc. Even Jobs' failures were interesting: NeXT, Mac G4 Cube, iPod Hi-Fi. Well, except for the hockey puck mouse which seems like an obviously bad idea.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#504

This happens in any industry where value/status are at a premium. Finance, Law, VC guys were good too in the beginning but when the value/status change happens it attracts certain kind of guys who are average in talent but excel in demonstrating value and social management of the value/status. Another change which has happened recently is that the economics of engagement farming have become common place wisdom as alr…

Law was good people when? During the era of the 3/5ths compromise? Dredd Scott? Plessy? Lochner v NY? Buck v Bell? Korematsu? Finance was good people when? When Swiss banks captured all the war spoils of WW2? When they ran Penny Auctions during the Great Depression? When they financed slave ships? When the Medici financed endless war across Europe? I’m not saying people are all awful, but I don’t think there’s any “b…

> Law was good people when?

I'm a fan of Cicero.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#505
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I think you miss the point, it's not that they were morally good or only in pursuit of lofty goals. But the culture was different and the profession wasn't dominated by monetary opportunity seekers. Look back in historical newspapers and you won't find a single ad for personal injury attorneys.

That's because it was illegal for lawyers to advertise their services until 1976. See Bates v. State Bar of Arizona: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bates_v._State_Bar_of_Arizona

> That's because it was illegal for lawyers to advertise their services until 1976

I'd have thought limited-liability partnerships (and with it, the mega shops) did more damage.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#506
Im so sick of Steve Jobs and apple glaze. You like it because marketing targeted at you. It was no more slick than other products at the time and worked no better. You liked it because the company threw money at a very successful marketing campaign. These people are not nerds they are extreme outliers and not much different to the CEOs of today.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#507

This happens in any industry where value/status are at a premium. Finance, Law, VC guys were good too in the beginning but when the value/status change happens it attracts certain kind of guys who are average in talent but excel in demonstrating value and social management of the value/status. Another change which has happened recently is that the economics of engagement farming have become common place wisdom as alr…

> Finance, Law, VC guys were good too in the beginning but when the value/status change happens it attracts certain kind of guys who are average in talent but excel in demonstrating value and social management of the value/status. Those career paths were always crooked. We see that going back to my great grandparents time with Black friday of 1929. They fucked around with unrestricted capitalism, and found out. Quite…

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Re: What happened to nerds?

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Being non-virtuous doesn't all of a sudden turn them into some kind of evil monster. It's just a job for most of them, one that pays well. Being professional and giving treatment like they should (basically following orders) is the easiest way to avoid problems for doctors. This all changes when they get more difficult patients. As someone who's been told bogus by doctors, even lightly pushing back many will complete…

But it's good that being virtuous is the "easy path" for them. That's how I want it to be. Why would I want to make it difficult or put impediments in the way of my doctors doing their job well? My point is that, when the institution supports and encourages virtuous behaviour, the actors within the institution are more likely to practice virtue. I think this is also largely the point of Plato's Republic.

You're absolutely, completely, 100% correct that the nature of good institutions is to make the virtuous path the easy one, and also that medical norms and practices do a (generally) good job achieving this.

You're also missing your interlocutor's point.

> Why would I want to make it difficult or put impediments in the way of my doctors doing their job well?

Doctors very often don't do a good job with complex cases - like rare conditions, complicated histories, or multiple interacting factors - and some will treat the patient as "difficult" or "an impediment" when they (the doctor) haven't grokked the situation. Very few patients are trying to be an impediment - 99% are trying to help achieve a good outcome, though sometimes their definition of that is misguided or impossible - but it is frustrating to be treated that way by someone who genuinely knows less about your situation than you do. ("Doc, I've taken that test before, and I've tried that medication before - I know it's not in your EMR, but here is a printout - what are you looking for this time that you expect to be different than before?" That conversation doesn't always go well - and even when it does, you're likely to be told "I can't [read: hospital / insurance policy won't permit] try something else until we've done those again" - so you'll end up going back to step A with each new provider.)

In fairness to doctors, many of them work within horrible constraints: it's impossible to get a handle on a complex situation in one twenty minute appointment every six months, and there's little point trying when it's likely the patient will be reassigned to a new provider by next year, anyway. The tension between medical ethics and practice and hospital (let alone, in the US, insurance) ethics and practice is enormous, and (for the individual doctors and patients caught up in it) intractable.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#509

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Seems illogical that you can quantify a subset of people that wouldn't even want to interact with the average joe on the clearweb. We're alive, intelligent and active on our IRC.

I know sites you have no idea about running on pure spite and strangeness. I am banned from almost all mainstream social media for wrongthink. What do you know about underground spaces? Hell, just few weeks ago we ddosed one of new text only social media sites for having a bad font. There is a real microcosm down there. And war. Don't go there. People would eat you alive for breakfast, doxx and possibly hack you as s…

That must be very cool for you, I know a lot of stuff too, and yet.. I don't go around about it like poser. I am not interested in any further "intellectual" exchange.

Re: What happened to nerds?

#510

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Given your blatant generalisation, I simply believe you didn't pass the vibe check of that person and they would not want to have anything to do with you. Just how bullies detect nerds, nerds detect people who shun them, they just avoid conflict because it's a legit waste of time. Anyway, I got some important coding to do now.

I'm a nerd that codes and I shun the vast majority of tech workers that continue to sell out humanity for a paycheck. Maybe take some time and consider the political economical ramifications of the industry because it has been a net negative towards humanity for a good decade+ now.

It's impossible to shun anyone whilst being the minority.
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