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Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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> Experts in artificial intelligence estimate... The predictions of these "experts" have been drastically wrong for the last 3 years. At what point does someone lose their "expert" title?

Do you have a source on aggregate predictions of experts being drastically wrong? I.e. the AI 2027 guys were memed for being AI lunatics on a lot here and they have been pretty on the money in terms of pace of progress accelerating/ gov moving towards nationalization/ coding agents

Do you have specific and objective examples of things people got right?

From my perspective there’s very slow but very real progress happening in the AI space. I see people making wild predictions in both directions, but in terms of actual unsupervised utility there’s definitely progress abet wildly slower than most hype.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Is it really likely that a "recursive self-improvement" capability would lead to a great acceleration of AIs capabilities?

Isn't the preponderant bottleneck in improving the models the need to train them at scale to verify the hypotheses, and the time and cost that it takes?

Or does someone think that they could get magically able to predict big improvements without training?

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source on aggregate predictions of experts being drastically wrong? I.e. the AI 2027 guys were memed for being AI lunatics on a lot here and they have been pretty on the money in terms of pace of progress accelerating/ gov moving towards nationalization/ coding agents

Do you have specific and objective examples of things people got right? From my perspective there’s very slow but very real progress happening in the AI space. I see people making wild predictions in both directions, but in terms of actual unsupervised utility there’s definitely progress abet wildly slower than most hype.

The idea that progress is “slow” in the AI space is absurd. These are some of the fastest growing products and companies of all time. The models are still improving a surprising amount.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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> Experts in artificial intelligence estimate... The predictions of these "experts" have been drastically wrong for the last 3 years. At what point does someone lose their "expert" title?

It’s hard to take seriously a statement like this that’s grounded in “the last three years” when trends have tended to play out over decades. The fact the goal posts have moved from thousands to hundreds to decades to single digit years for massive transformation should give you a moment of pause in your bag saying. I would however agree there are no experts. Not because of some prediction made on a short time scale…

Autonomous weapons are actually a really interesting branch of this and deserves a little more.

Yes, autonomous weapons were explored and were found to be poor performers compared to actual pilots. The breakthrough is in terminal guidance and dozens of other little techniques to get quality human control extended into the far reach of the battlefield. And of course, AI assistance in logistics and analysis. But actual autonomous weapons making any more of a choice beyond "something is moving, kill it" have been, at least for now, mostly a dead end.

This is because it's very difficult to economically load the rather sizable compute requirement into the compact one-use weapons, and of course reliable communications aren't assured either.

That will probably change some day, but for now, cheap automous command drones making battlefield analysis e.g. mapping out enemy movements from afar and launching cheap autonomous kamikaze drones is not a thing beyond occasional limited testing.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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> Experts in artificial intelligence estimate... The predictions of these "experts" have been drastically wrong for the last 3 years. At what point does someone lose their "expert" title?

Do you have a source on aggregate predictions of experts being drastically wrong? I.e. the AI 2027 guys were memed for being AI lunatics on a lot here and they have been pretty on the money in terms of pace of progress accelerating/ gov moving towards nationalization/ coding agents

No they haven't. They've even 'officially' declared that their AI apocalypse has been postponed to another date [1], just out of reach, but close enough to be scary. Though in the quotes there the doomsayers are also already pre-hedging for why AI 2030 also won't come to pass.

[1] - https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/breaking-the-ai-2027-dooms...

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Humanity doesn't fully leverage the intelligence it already has, so I think people are overestimating the disruption ahead.

Depends what country you are in. The US government seems to be averse to intelligence, whereas China fosters it. Kinda strange that the US is falling behind, I never imagined the day.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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I want to name the AI era as the corruption of the elite.

The rhetorical structure of talking about uncertain risks and then trying to concentrate the authority to manage those risks in their own hands sounds utterly ridiculous to ordinary people like me.

It's just a simple hypothesis that AI will become uncontrollable to humans once it becomes superintelligent.

Isn't the fact that a reinforcement learning agent improves itself in a specific domain completely different from it recursively improving its own code in a 'better' way? It's just a tool to create a justification for regulation and control using sci-fi fear.

The comparison between nuclear power plant risk and AI risk is also absurd. Where exactly can you define and measure the probability of AI exterminating humanity? It's as unquantifiable as 'I, human JDW64, will become a successful programmer.' What is the measurement standard? Why dress up AI researchers' concerns as objective probabilities? Is it because numbers make it look logical?

The current US-China relationship is in the middle of an AI arms race. The US is strengthening export controls to limit China's AI development, and China is building its own ecosystem. In this situation, I don't understand the idea of cooperating for the common safety of humanity. RAND is an organization that presupposes cooperation—isn't it just a well-written research proposal from an institution that wants to position itself for that role?

Isn't the claim that 'government must step in' ultimately about protecting their own interests? 'A strong government that will protect us' is an authoritarian government. If they were East Asian, they would understand that such regimes have always been used as tools for surveillance and control.

And I don't understand why Fermi's paradox is being brought up here. Why package a software problem as something that inevitably requires strong control? Whenever I see articles like this, I think about what 'intelligence' really means. This person would probably be called 'intelligent' by others. But no matter how I look at it, the holes in the argument are too obvious. It really makes me think that there are different tiers of intelligence.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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I couldn't read the whole article, but just from the part I could read: > Strikingly, this concern is being openly voiced by the very people who have the strongest incentives to project confidence rather than alarm: the founders of the largest ai laboratories. I don't know, they also have an incentive to make their technology seem transformative and powerful, and saying that your technology has the power to cause a m…

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