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Post by Sabinus »

mcmcmc wrote: post #206
philipallstar wrote: post #190

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> It's like if people in Wales were constantly firing rockets at London because they wanted to destroy all English people, and England doing nothing about it for years until there was a huge slaughter, and then finally retaliating. Or just like the IRA… asymmetric warfare/terrorism is a natural response to violent oppression

Discarded proportionalty calculations is in response to asymmetric warfare/terrorism which is in response to violent oppression is in response to ethnic conflict, which is in response to migration which is in response to persecution.

Everyone has factors influencing their decisions but everyone still has their own agency and responsibility.

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Post by FunnyUsername »

sosomoxie wrote: post #159
throw467428 wrote: post #156

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Judaism isn't just a religion; Israel happily accepts non-religious Jews. The goal was to solve a massive refugee problem for a persecuted group with nowhere else to go.

In any case, as a sovereign state, Israel gets to decide on its own immigration policy, regardless of how foreigners feel about it.

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Post by fsckboy »

mcmcmc wrote: post #206
philipallstar wrote: post #190

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> It's like if people in Wales were constantly firing rockets at London because they wanted to destroy all English people, and England doing nothing about it for years until there was a huge slaughter, and then finally retaliating. Or just like the IRA… asymmetric warfare/terrorism is a natural response to violent oppression

>asymmetric warfare/terrorism is a natural response to violent oppression

it always sounds more high-minded to adopt universal/philosophical wording, but it's highly effective, your point is well made. October 7th was violent oppression, your explanation is sound.

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Post by Sabinus »

philistine wrote: post #237
philipallstar wrote: post #190

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People are appropriately scouring your position because there was exactly what you are imagining: a population, living West of the rest of the UK, lobbing terrorist attacks at London. It's just that it was the Irish, not the Welsh, doing the attacks. History has given reason to the IRA's despicable methods; once the British got tired of the unionists' intransigeance, they sat down at the negotiation table and hammere…

If the IRA's demands were that the British had to accept enough Irish migration to become a minority in their country (the right of return) somehow I don't think their despicable methods would have paid off.

The difference between the Irish and the Palestinians is the Irish took a real compromise and peace deal. They didn't demand the instant return of Northern Ireland and refuse all compromise to that issue, committing multiple generations to fruitless violence and high death rates.

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Post by gmerc »

warumdarum wrote: post #166
bulbar wrote: post #118

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Hamas' mass murdering isn't a "police problem" whatever that's meant to mean and they are quite explicit in their goal of genocide of the Jewish population in the southern levante.

And lets not forget that half of the attackers where just ordinary citizens of ghaza.

All of the murderers in LA are ordinary citizens of LA, let’s mass bomb them.

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Post by sosomoxie »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #262
sosomoxie wrote: post #159

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Judaism isn't just a religion; Israel happily accepts non-religious Jews. The goal was to solve a massive refugee problem for a persecuted group with nowhere else to go. In any case, as a sovereign state, Israel gets to decide on its own immigration policy, regardless of how foreigners feel about it.

Judaism is in fact, just a religion. Zionists are not refugees, they are colonists. They didn’t need to “go” anywhere and regardless of need, never had the right to set foot in Palestine.

> regardless of how foreigners feel about it.

Without the US, Israel will cease to exist. It’s my problem to deal with as a US citizen.

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Post by warumdarum »

gmerc wrote: post #266
warumdarum wrote: post #166

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And lets not forget that half of the attackers where just ordinary citizens of ghaza.

All of the murderers in LA are ordinary citizens of LA, let’s mass bomb them.

If they had the ideology of ethnically cleansing / enslaving all other religions in north america (aka literal nazis) yeah lets go. Worldwsr 2 was about that! Dont have to be successful to be evil!

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Post by Sabinus »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #111
gmerc wrote: post #107

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The Epstein Class solution to turmoil of the soul - give Elon money instead

Elon isn’t the only person selling EVs. I’m glad I’ve never given him money. We should just wash our hands of the Middle East though, maybe if the western world stops caring, all of the parties will come together and figure out a way forward that doesn’t involve killing each other.

Without Western support Iran and the proxies will choke Israel until either they make concessions to the Palestinians (which can be a very good thing, depending on the concessions demanded), or Israel gets backed into a corner and either really does a genocide, or drops a (hopefully only tactical) nuke.

The most likely best future is when Western support is predicated on making decent concessions to the Palestinians. I'm not in the position to say what they are at the moment but more autonomy for the Palestinian state proposed in Oslo would be a good start.

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Post by bulbar »

basisword wrote: post #184
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #97

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See, it’s statements like this that make me want to run away like heck from this. Netanyahu is a hack, a war monger, all sorts of bad, but Palestinians continued support for Hamas and seeing large scale cross border kidnapping/murder as a “police issue”, it’s hard for me to feel sympathy. So I bought an EV and that’s the end of it.

>> Palestinians continued support for Hamas Have you ever stopped to think _why_ they might continue to support Hamas? The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes. Treat them worse than animals. They can kill 70k people and face almost zero consequences internationally. They've got the backing of a superpower. If you were treated like that I'm sure you would p…

> The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes.

People in the Westbank seem to mostly support Fatah, not Hamas.

I do generally agree though that the strength of Hamas was fueled by the dire situation of the population in Gaza and Israel's actions (before Oct 2023).

That must not mean that one should stand by the side of mass murderers. You can be against Israel's actions and for the Palestine people and still condemn Hamas' actions, and every sane person should.

They came into power and murdered their own people to consolidate their power. They are a terror organization. It's disturbing to me that many (not meaning you in particular) fail to understand that.

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