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Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by saturn8601 »

jjk166 wrote: post #606
saturn8601 wrote: post #584

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On the flipside the level of deep love and praise for Bernie Sanders did not translate into an equivilent outcome in real life. (And I say that as a Bernie supporter). Its a hard lesson to learn that there is so much astroturfing in both directions that you have to learn to ignore the noise.

I would argue serving 19 years in the US Senate is a far more impressive political accomplishment than being elected mayor of a city, even one as prominent as New York. Bernie has had immense political success, even if his attempt at being nominated for the presidency was narrowly thwarted. Cuomo may have been an insider, but he was a disgraced insider; there's no comparison to the political figures who beat Bernie.

Yes, I would argue that Bernie's excellent career lent him an air of credibility that other politicians just don't have. But the discussion was about whether online popularity translates to real life, and I'd argue that it certainly didn't for the Bernie candidacy at least not enough to win.

Online is just another component in the political game. We saw all this nonsense in 2024 yet again. I'm kicking myself for having fallen for all these pollsters, some of which have had an impeccable perfect record for decades and yet still managed to get it wrong this time around.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by nielsbot »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #608
nielsbot wrote: post #592

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I am asserting they are Zionist (not anti-Semitic) to the point of denying that Musk’s “heil hitler” salute isn’t that. BTW—Being Zionist and against hatred of Jews is not compatible.

It's quite clear what you asserted: > Sounds like the converse is true actually--I haven't seen anyone who isn't a Musk stan (or anti-semite) say it's not a Nazi salute. You asserted without evidence that the ADL are "Musk stan", or that they are anti-semites, or both.

The evidence is their Zionism and their denial that Musk is trolling by making Nazi salutes. Being Zionist is anti-Semitic.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by stinkbeetle »

nielsbot wrote: post #612
stinkbeetle wrote: post #608

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It's quite clear what you asserted: > Sounds like the converse is true actually--I haven't seen anyone who isn't a Musk stan (or anti-semite) say it's not a Nazi salute. You asserted without evidence that the ADL are "Musk stan", or that they are anti-semites, or both.

The evidence is their Zionism and their denial that Musk is trolling by making Nazi salutes. Being Zionist is anti-Semitic.

The evidence is the claims?

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Post by FunnyUsername »

Matl wrote: post #601
FunnyUsername wrote: post #527

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Synagogues such as..?

The Lavon Affair is a matter of public record, so definitely not out of character.

Yes, Israel attempted one false flag attack 72 years ago, intending to damage some empty buildings with no casualties. Still nothing to do with any synagogue.

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Post by FunnyUsername »

southsider99 wrote: post #564
FunnyUsername wrote: post #214

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> October 7 was the culmination of (then) 75 years of [...] Nothing you might say after this can justify massacring, kidnapping or raping civilians. > the denial of clean water, the denial of electricity This is pretty unreasonable framing. Israel withdrew from Gaza, leaving behind valuable modern infrastructure like desalination plants, and then provided free water and electricity even to an enemy who constantly att…

"For terrorizing Israel" is "pretty unreasonable framing".

They're unguided rockets which can only vaguely target civilian population centers, not any military assets. That's quite literally terrorism.

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Post by nielsbot »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #613
nielsbot wrote: post #612

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The evidence is their Zionism and their denial that Musk is trolling by making Nazi salutes. Being Zionist is anti-Semitic.

The evidence is the claims?

Correct. If the claims are lies I get to call them liars. If they are Zionist I get to say they are anti-Semitic.

Are you going to ask me to not believe my lying eyes? Then we are at an impasse.

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Post by unselect5917 »

aofjrn48 wrote: post #413
crowbahr wrote: post #325

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New account made just for this comment is always suspicious. Look - the correct amount of hate crime is always 0 but using a percentage masks the amount of crime that comes from noise. Hate crime is not evenly distributed - no crime is - and a rise from 10 to 20 per month in a city of 8.5 million is not the cataclysm you're acting like it is. Again: no hate crime is good and this increase is an unalloyed ill. It's so…

Just see what reactions I'm getting for posting a NYPD stat and my other comments who are very benign (flagged, downvoted) - HN is not a welcoming place for an actual discussion on these topics.

Deflection + ad hominem attack + outright lies. Local maximum of bad faith dishonesty. Impressive, really that you get away with it here. This isn't reddit, twitter, or farLeftSky.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by stinkbeetle »

nielsbot wrote: post #616
stinkbeetle wrote: post #613

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The evidence is the claims?

Correct. If the claims are lies I get to call them liars. If they are Zionist I get to say they are anti-Semitic. Are you going to ask me to not believe my lying eyes? Then we are at an impasse.

I'm not asking you to believe anything. I noted that anonymous internet partisans, politicians, or anybody else with vested interests and who fail to offer any evidence or reasoning for their claims are not trustworthy. Not even when they become unhinged and start ranting about Jewish conspiracies.

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Post by Matl »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #614
Matl wrote: post #601

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The Lavon Affair is a matter of public record, so definitely not out of character.

Yes, Israel attempted one false flag attack 72 years ago, intending to damage some empty buildings with no casualties. Still nothing to do with any synagogue.

Yes, the Zionist tactic is to attack, deny, obfuscate, admit but claim that it is not at all indicative of a pattern.

I only gave that example because it cannot be denied. The nature of such ops is to have plausible deniability, such as in the case of the 1950–1951 Baghdad bombings, despite the British, (the ones who are ultimately responsible for the modern state of Israel), concluding that:

"The British Embassy in Baghdad assessed that the bombings were carried out by Zionist activists trying to highlight the danger to Iraqi Jews, in order influence the State of Israel to accelerate the pace of Jewish emigration. Another possible explanation offered by the embassy was that bombs were meant to change the minds of well-off Jews who wished to stay in Iraq."

but there are other examples[1] demonstrating this is not something that is so unlike Israel as you seem to want to portray.

1 - https://www.timesofisrael.com/disguised-as-stone-throwers-un...

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by noworriesnate »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #222
RobotToaster wrote: post #46

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Nope, foreign lobbyists in the guise of AIPAC spent record amounts to primary Thomas Massie.

OP is talking about American's here. AIPAC is made of and paid for AIPAC, like other political packs or other American groups. AIPAC is just Americans, doing the American political thing.

AIPAC is mostly funded by Zionist Jewish billionaires[1]. Characterizing this as "Americans, doing the American political thing" conflates normal Americans with Zionist Jewish billionaires. They are not the same thing.

[1] https://www.trackaipac.com/donors

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