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Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by ergocoder »

sosomoxie wrote: post #235
ergocoder wrote: post #234

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Palestine aims to annihilate Israel ... cue "from the river to the sea". They both want to kill each other. It's only that one side is winning. Not sure why you need to mislead. It has been clear for 50 years at least.

Yes, most people will try to remove the people that invaded their land and killed their families. That's common sense. It's been 78 years since Zionists invaded Palestine, not 50.

They both invaded each other's land and killed each other's families. One side is obviously losing.

It's common sense yet you keep denying it.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by ergocoder »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #239
ergocoder wrote: post #157

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You were definitely angry given your comment here "If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up." If you weren't, we would just discuss normally without insulting that the other side didn't have intention to discuss in a discussion forum. So, somehow my comment angered you that you had to resort to the tactics of undermining the other side.

They were expressing a normative statement about an observation they made; that you took it as an insult is your problem. You brought up Palestine, then said this discussion isn't about Palestine. Indeed, if you think something is not relevant to the discussion, you should not bring it up in a given discussion.

Because they obviously tried to make it any insult by attacking the person they discussed with.

Who said it wasn't about Palestine? Who even thinks that? We are talking about the protest regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, right?

So, you think Palestine is irrelevant to the discussion of ... rolling the dice ... the Israel-Palestine conflict

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by sosomoxie »

ergocoder wrote: post #251
sosomoxie wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, most people will try to remove the people that invaded their land and killed their families. That's common sense. It's been 78 years since Zionists invaded Palestine, not 50.

They both invaded each other's land and killed each other's families. One side is obviously losing. It's common sense yet you keep denying it.

It's all Palestinian land, they've "invaded" nothing. They're trying to remove the people that stole their land and murdered their families. This is not complicated.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by WarmWash »

sosomoxie wrote: post #220
WarmWash wrote: post #213

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Yes, that is correct. Land ownership is determined by your ability to defend it. If you can get a coalition to take down Israel, the land is yours to do whatever you want with it. That is how it works, if you want land, have big guns or big friends.

I'm sure this will come to fruition once the boomers are gone as everyone else is extremely anti-Israel. Curious if you apply your "might makes right" logic to Nazis? By your argument they did nothing wrong, just exercised strength.

Nothing I said has any bearing on morality or correctness.

It's also not my logic anymore than the wind stoking a forest fire is my logic. It's just shitty thing that is true. On the global stage, where there is no higher power to appeal to (none of these fools god's exists), your land is only what you can defend with either might or diplomacy. This is a (very shitty, but very real) natural law that exists in the universe we were born into (aliens might decide they want Earth one day). If you run a country, and fail at both of those things, you likely will not being running a country for long.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by sosomoxie »

WarmWash wrote: post #254
sosomoxie wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure this will come to fruition once the boomers are gone as everyone else is extremely anti-Israel. Curious if you apply your "might makes right" logic to Nazis? By your argument they did nothing wrong, just exercised strength.

Nothing I said has any bearing on morality or correctness. It's also not my logic anymore than the wind stoking a forest fire is my logic. It's just shitty thing that is true. On the global stage, where there is no higher power to appeal to (none of these fools god's exists), your land is only what you can defend with either might or diplomacy. This is a (very shitty, but very real) natural law that exists in the uni…

We evolved "morality" for a reason. I do agree that Israel has clearly demonstrated to the world that they'll need to be stopped by force though.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by xphos »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #47
gritspants wrote: post #4

Seems this has more to do with Palestine and Google's involvement with Israel to provide cloud computing.

In this seemingly forever argument, it seems there is some nuance in that Palestine is not Hamas and vice versa. One of the perspectives as I understand it is that Hamas is actually a threat to the existence of Palestine; the militaristic behaviour undermines Palestinian efforts at independence (and this is an avenue for exploitation by those who don't want to see an independent Palestine). It is a similar situation…

I mean the problem with this argument is that it is than transitively true than an entire people of any country with a crazy leader who bombs random countries in the middle east are inline and malovaent. I just disagree because that would imply the will of the US and its entire people is to bomb Palestine and Iran including these kids exiting there graduation. That argument just is factually debased. Collective blame of people for their government even in democracies just doesn't follow.

I agree that support for Palestine is not necessiarly support for Hamas and collective punishiment for Palestine from Hamas's actions is horrible but their is something to playing a useful idiot. And I think Israel and Palestine protesters both do this. Israel could 100% kill Hamas leadership and cause a democracy movement to elect a reasonable leadership in Palestine but they don't and don't want to. Palestine protesters actively persue a 1 state solution in its extreme to model it on the US and I don't think it works that way especially with such a vocal majority in Israel opposed to it. Hamas also don't really want a 2 state solution either because that would be real long term concessions and also a degradation of their authority because they are murders and losers but they are "protecting" some Palestians from Israel. Israel game here is they want prolong conflict and attacks like Oct. 7 because it justifies more annexation and attacks like Oct. 7 do give strong affimative arguments to take action against Hamas and Palestine whether you like it or not.

Long winded way of saying its a quagmire but if the US wanted to spend less and solve the problem they need to strong arm their ally to engage in generating a democractic uprising against Hamas in exchange for concessions of land (mostly settler land) after a new democratic state reins in their radicals. I think Palestians would jump at that idea but Hamas would be extremely anti that idea because they would be the pariah in their society. Its pragamtic solution but also 1 that requires long term follow through that is also likely to fail. To me that the Kotkin approach no one is happy but progress is possible

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by WarmWash »

sosomoxie wrote: post #255
WarmWash wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing I said has any bearing on morality or correctness. It's also not my logic anymore than the wind stoking a forest fire is my logic. It's just shitty thing that is true. On the global stage, where there is no higher power to appeal to (none of these fools god's exists), your land is only what you can defend with either might or diplomacy. This is a (very shitty, but very real) natural law that exists in the uni…

We evolved "morality" for a reason. I do agree that Israel has clearly demonstrated to the world that they'll need to be stopped by force though.

I mean, here you are agreeing that Israel needs to be stopped by force. An army assembled to go in and kill Israeli soldiers until Palestine is free. See how quick that "morality" flies out the window?

Diplomacy and guns, that's all there is. Morality comes later, if ever at all.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by pm90 »

jpadkins wrote: post #197
pm90 wrote: post #178

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If he was so good why did Brin have to come out of retirement to steer the ship? Remember, transformers were invented at Google. They could have been the first to market starving out OAI and Anthropic. That they did not is clearly a huge failure from Pichai. Its astonishing he wasn’t removed for this blunder.

Brin did not come out of retirement or steer the ship :-) He probably came out of retirement because LLMs were showing promise to a life long dream.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46452641

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by dgrin91 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #77
jameson wrote: post #53

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I wonder which spectrum Steve Jobs would be on if he was still alive to this day.

Hate him or not, Steve Jobs understood humans. He spoke and behaved as a human. He was flawed and may be considered "cringey" now, but I think he'd be liked better than the rest.

"You're holding it wrong" would beg to differ, not to mention the many flops he had (remember the magic mouse?).

He was smart & very successful. I wouldn't call him relatable to most humans.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by sosomoxie »

WarmWash wrote: post #257
sosomoxie wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We evolved "morality" for a reason. I do agree that Israel has clearly demonstrated to the world that they'll need to be stopped by force though.

I mean, here you are agreeing that Israel needs to be stopped by force. An army assembled to go in and kill Israeli soldiers until Palestine is free. See how quick that "morality" flies out the window? Diplomacy and guns, that's all there is. Morality comes later, if ever at all.

It’s absolutely the moral choice to end Israel. Just like apartheid South Africa. Israel just happens to be much worse and much more belligerent with much more control over the rest of the world. They created a situation where the moral option is their complete destruction.
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