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Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

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Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

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We've moved all the money into the capital economy and all the taxes into the labor economy and the well is running dry. There's nothing to be done!

More tax cuts to the rich.

Oh my god I can just FEEL the growth! It's going to trickle down any second now! Any second!

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#42
Economy is not zero sum game [1]. The fact that someone has more, doesn't mean everyone else is worse off because of it. Many hungry african kids can look upon the people from first world and ponder the same question. "How will the rich people that have everything survive now, that with AI they will have even more" except from their perspective, we are the elon musks in their eyes.

https://mises.org/mises-wire/exchange-not-zero-sum-game

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#43

Many people don't realize that the human-legible economy is not the end goal to the fate of wealth and productivity in the known universe. The economy is human-serving and human-legible because humans are a universal bottleneck to productivity and wealth creation. Once humans are no longer this bottleneck, the economy will begin to serve other interests, as those other interests will be the source of far more product…

Sounds terrible

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#44
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I don't see why we should take that scenario seriously. In part because agriculture is already heavily mechanized and many factories already have lots of robots. How much would access to an LLM improve the robots?

Assuming a good enough LLM, you can say something like "Please find me a site with optimum growing conditions for beetroot in the next year and arrange to have the field planted and maintained until the harvest season for beetroot is over" and then just let 'er rip. What's crazy about that is it's essentially post-scarcity if we want it to be. Or what's most likely to happen is that in the US we'll all be sucking dow…

That's getting way ahead of ourselves considering that currently, AI can't even be trusted to run a vending machine.

Also, if that's such a great deal, why not invest in someone else's company that runs a farm?

Let's say we have two companies, one which has a human manager (and maybe uses AI for research) and one that just has AI. Is the AI really going to do better?

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#46
> The Economy is not only an abstract concept, but a very twisted and perverse one as well. It once used to refer to the well-being of the masses

When?

> We already have more empty houses than homeless people, more food than we eat, and more medicine than we use, yet people die starving or untreated anyway.

10x more people die of car crashes than famine globally. And about the same die from tobacco exposure than malnutrition which is a wider net to cast.

If we just focus on advanced economies basically nobody dies of famine and less people die of malnutrition than car crashes by a long margin.

A lot of this article is just vibes, not data.

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#47

What AI really seems to be posed to do is make labour a lot less valuable and capital a lot more valuable. Running a government requires a lot of cash flow. I think its sort of inevitable that it's going to need to start coming mostly from the later and not the former.

> Running a government requires a lot of cash flow. I think its sort of inevitable that it's going to need to start coming mostly from the later and not the former.

Why presume that "running a government" is inevitable at all? How much longer do we think these states of old are going to putter on for?

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#48
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For an article that starts off asking us to examine our assumptions and not make leaps of logic, it goes on to make some absolute whopper assumptions, like that governments (Western governments especially, for some reason), won't do anything to address the problems the article is raising, that they'll instead abandon democracy entirely and resort to police and military oppression, and that massive unemployment and po…

I love how you act like it's an insane premise, then go on to list a bunch of stuff that's literally happening now...

Re: Peopleless economy? Not technically impossible

#49
I've held this view and talked about it many times here before.

It seems like an obvious conclusion to me that the end result will be a few AI owners trading among themselves should AI develop in what seems to be likely: recursive self improvement, robotics allowing it to displace manual labor and combat.

Then the owners will be trading for land, AI tech, minerals, energy, which will likely be owned by the other AI conglomerates, and maybe the odd thing that can't be replaced by AI like human entertainers that would make up 1% of the economy.

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