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I Love the Computer

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Re: I Love the Computer

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Snake oil is something not medicine sold as medicine. AI is something not a colleague (a slot machine), sold as a colleague.

Right, that's what you already said. What I don't understand is the "slot machine" analogy you're making. In what sense is AI a "slot machine"? Are you talking about the stocks of AI companies?

Variable intermittent reward. Pull the lever, get something nice or something bad. I've had far too much bad today and I'm furious.

Re: I Love the Computer

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I choose A. I know that many others choose A as well. A wonderful service known as the web has connected people who choose A with others who choose A and of course with a great many who don’t need to make a choice and benefit from the work of others. I mourn a world in which few will choose A, because for many to choose B seems to lock us all, tragedy of the commons style, into a worse world.

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> None of the things we build today are going to last.

Exactly, so why do you care how some people build things? It's not that important.

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I choose A. I know that many others choose A as well. A wonderful service known as the web has connected people who choose A with others who choose A and of course with a great many who don’t need to make a choice and benefit from the work of others. I mourn a world in which few will choose A, because for many to choose B seems to lock us all, tragedy of the commons style, into a worse world.

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This is so needlessly combative and performative, which is especially hilarious as you claim the others are the ones being so.

> AI is better at this than you. You just won't admit it. And it's going to get 10,000x better than you in just a short while.

Where is the 10x (not even 10,000x) revenue? No companies other than those selling the AI itself are seeing it.

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The snake oil is how the people at the top scream "in x years we won't need programmers" and end up proving themselves wrong time and time again. It's a real technology and it can do a lot, but it's being sold like snake oil while we're still figuring out what it's actually useful for and how to leverage it properly.

Snake oil implies that it does nothing, not that it doesn't do everything it's boosters claim it does. Snake oils were medicines sold as cure-alls with no active ingredients.

I wonder what the better pithy phrase would be then for "thing that is obviously useful, but is being hyped beyond it's (current) ability by those with a vested interest in doing so"

Re: I Love the Computer

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snake oil is something not medicine sold as medicine. AI is something not a colleague (a slot machine), sold as a colleague.

Right, that's what you already said. What I don't understand is the "slot machine" analogy you're making. In what sense is AI a "slot machine"? Are you talking about the stocks of AI companies?

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Re: I Love the Computer

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> The comparison suggests that the thing doesn't do what it's marketed to do In my opinion you should interpret the usage of "AI" here to mean "the entire business/management/financial/bubble ecosystem surrounding LLMs". The snake oil is much more how LLMs are being weaponized and utilized rather than a specific technical assessment (although that often is an issue too)

My prediction is that it will go the same way as the dot com bubble. The hypesters and fraudsters will eventually collide with objective reality, but the technology will persist and society at large will benefit from the infrastructure and the increased access to knowledge.

> society at large will benefit from the infrastructure

Data centers as infrastructure are very different from DSL rollout though. Much, much more expensive to maintain, with a much much shorter timespan.

If the bubble pops and data centers get shut down because there’s no one to pay the bills, there won’t be much left 5-10 years later in terms of infrastructure.

Re: I Love the Computer

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I still like the computer itself. Breaking something, poking at it, fixing it, and then it suddenly works. The hard part now is liking the industry around it.

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post #34
post #23

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Snake oil implies that it does nothing, not that it doesn't do everything it's boosters claim it does. Snake oils were medicines sold as cure-alls with no active ingredients.

I wonder what the better pithy phrase would be then for "thing that is obviously useful, but is being hyped beyond it's (current) ability by those with a vested interest in doing so"

That seems pretty par for the course for every major advancement in technology. So maybe just “capitalism”?

It’s hard for me to think of any piece of new tech that hasn’t been over hyped by the people selling it.

Re: I Love the Computer

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post #34

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I wonder what the better pithy phrase would be then for "thing that is obviously useful, but is being hyped beyond it's (current) ability by those with a vested interest in doing so"

That seems pretty par for the course for every major advancement in technology. So maybe just “capitalism”? It’s hard for me to think of any piece of new tech that hasn’t been over hyped by the people selling it.

For sure. I'd argue this cycle is operating at a different scale though

Re: I Love the Computer

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post #34
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snake oil implies that it does nothing, not that it doesn't do everything it's boosters claim it does. Snake oils were medicines sold as cure-alls with no active ingredients.

I wonder what the better pithy phrase would be then for "thing that is obviously useful, but is being hyped beyond it's (current) ability by those with a vested interest in doing so"

You could reasonably call it "overhyped". People will disagree with you, but that's fine; you won't be making a falsifiable claim.
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