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Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
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Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
By ownership perhaps. Founded in the UK, then bought by Google, it still has its HQ in London.
It is a good example that what Europe lacks is capital. And there is an rich get richer phenomenon where wealth flows to the USA, and successful European companies gets sold (and many talented Europeans ends up working for American companies). In many ways the dynamic is one of a colony.
The more I learn about modern economics, the less I feel I know. Right now, the sense I have is that the flow of money from Europe to the USA is more like using the US as a flag of convenience than a material loss of wealth, especially given how many "American" companies have European offices filled with European staff and how much money is made selling space for ads from European companies to European users.
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU legislature is an actual corpus of laws. It’s imperfect, but it’s arguably better than having a guy that can block a model or threat companies because they crossed him.
No it's not. Europe has no models to even block. The US has a guy who occasionally can screw things up for a few weeks, but who will be gone in a while. You have it upside down: the innovation and the stuff is the valuable thing, the laws are there to help us organize ourselves a bit after the fact. They're always a secondary concern to the extent that the vast majority of civilization is working with one another, do…
The cookie stuff is hilarious. I went to the EU recently, and the banners were so bad that I started using a US VPN.
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why shouldn't I? Your garden is not of a particular interest to me. It's just one of millions of gardens that I might look at as a part of scenery, or to get my bearings if I happen to be in the area. You'd be better off fighting street views in general, unless you are OK with the Streisand effect.
I prefer not to have views of my home permanently archived and made available to anyone in the world, unless they can present a reasonable need for it. City planners? Go ahead. Local people for navigation purposes? Go ahead. But some random bloke from another continent? That's clearly too far. Services like Street View should have distance-based friction to preserve privacy. The further you are, the less (or at lower…
> Services like Street View should have distance-based friction to preserve privacy. The further you are, the less (or at lower quality) should be available, to keep it proportional with the effort required to inspect the place in the real world.
How would the website validate how far I am from your neighborhood? What if I am your neighbor but I am traveling this week? Can I still check Street View of my neighborhood? This is how we get websites to require ID-based verification for everything.
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Heck, I hate street views disfigured by huge privacy blobs. Why should you - from the other side of the planet - have an unrestricted view into my front garden at your fingertips?
Why shouldn't I? Your garden is not of a particular interest to me. It's just one of millions of gardens that I might look at as a part of scenery, or to get my bearings if I happen to be in the area. You'd be better off fighting street views in general, unless you are OK with the Streisand effect.
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Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can debate the details and implementation but EU legislature is, at least in spirit, trying to protect human rights. What does it say about progress that the same laws that protect human rights also stifle innovation?
“Human rights” as defined by the continent that brought you both The Enlightenment and The Holocaust Feels like a reaaaaal roll of the dice
It's ok, they fixed the second one by making hatred illegal
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Political landscape of the US right now will change in few years like it has been changing for the last 250 years. USA does not equate to its current political situation. But EU would keep on rotting from inside and I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years
It’s an interesting contrast that you claim that the USA does not equate to its current political situation, whereas conversely the EU is ‘rotting’ from the inside. Do you think this is a balanced and reasonable claim?
it is a reasonable claim. Trump would be gone in few years and the constitution guarantees it. What does EU has? more bureaucrats? EU doesn't even has a constitution and yet it interfere with the politics of sovereign nations till they bend the knee to Brussels
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
I prefer not to have views of my home permanently archived and made available to anyone in the world, unless they can present a reasonable need for it. City planners? Go ahead. Local people for navigation purposes? Go ahead. But some random bloke from another continent? That's clearly too far. Services like Street View should have distance-based friction to preserve privacy. The further you are, the less (or at lower…
OK, feel free to ruin experience for millions of people.
Ok I will. I don't care, it's my house not theirs.
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Political landscape of the US right now will change in few years like it has been changing for the last 250 years. USA does not equate to its current political situation. But EU would keep on rotting from inside and I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years
There will always be a place for domestically sourced AI I think. Even if Mistral models suck theyll get enough defense revenue that they wont go out of business
Sums up EU in a nutshell, if it cannot compete in the open market, fund it by tax payers money (defence budgets are funded by tax payers money)
Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?
#180Being slow is sometimes a problem.
But if the needed total revenue for an investment is so absurdly large, that we need to capture 5-10% of the labour market, being slow might mean not burning in the crash.
The US drove the CCCP to bankruptcy by investing in nuclear bombs. Maybe history repeats itself.