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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

colechristensen wrote: post #296
ryandvm wrote: post #280

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Personally, I can do more than I could before as the result of AI. Honestly I could "retire" to a senior level role and have AI do 90% of my work and nobody would know the difference. The benefits COULD hit by employers reducing everybody's hours. The blocker to this is the middle management disease where there's a class of people who spend 40+ hours a week in some kind of update meeting or another and that much talk…

> I can do more than I could before as the result of AI

Are you getting paid more or are you just doing more for fun.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by digitaltrees »

colechristensen wrote: post #340
stetrain wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't shift productivity by 10X and expect the rest of the supply/demand equilibrium to stay the same, with you working 10% of the time and sipping drinks on the beach while retaining the same job opportunities and expected salaries. There will be increased competition for job openings, reductions in real wages, or increased expectations of productivity. Probably some combination of all three.

No, but you could cut everybody to 30 hour workweeks and hire more people. Once it becomes the norm even for a small section of the economy it will spread. People are more productive in an absolute sense working fewer hours anyway. It just takes a union, an ambitious company, or a state to force that 30 hour workweek to show some success with better talent attraction and retention and better corporate results to star…

Yes, in theory but if working more confers an advantage then work expectations will stay the same and will show up as higher productivity. So the real question is how will that productivity be distributed. Right now it's being concentrated into shareholders value rather than wages.

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Post by root9876 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #174
zettabomb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire capacity of RAM production is basically booked out, for at least the next year. All fabs have sold their allocations already, and it takes years to build a new one. As a result, no it will likely not ease up if demand continues like this, again for at least a year.

Also worth noting: They sold their allocations to people who don't have a clear path to profitability, and were paid with massive amounts of money that don't exist in reality.

> and were paid with massive amounts of money that don't exist in reality

How's that possible?

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Post by andsoitis »

philistine wrote: post #323
theobreuerweil wrote: post #310

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I guess the argument would go that your income is significantly higher in the sense that the quantity and complexity of stuff that you can afford now is vastly greater than 100 years ago (e.g. washing machines, cars, clothes, computers). I’m not that saying it’s making anyone happier, mind you

It's all a matter of perspective. 100 years ago, the middle class' purchasing power is far bigger. Compared to 50 years ago, the middle class is getting poorer.

> 100 years ago, the middle class' purchasing power is far bigger. Compared to 50 years ago, the middle class is getting poorer.

What’s your data source?

Keep in mind that the modern, mass middle class was created in the mid-20th century through government policies and post-WWII economic growth.

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Post by shibel »

This is crazy. I just got the CCX33 last week to migrate a Heroku db to it, that seems to have jumped over 100% now…? Need to reconsider

Edit: just noticed this is not retroactive. Still concerning looking forward.

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Post by knifeinhead »

colechristensen wrote: post #296
ryandvm wrote: post #280

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Personally, I can do more than I could before as the result of AI. Honestly I could "retire" to a senior level role and have AI do 90% of my work and nobody would know the difference. The benefits COULD hit by employers reducing everybody's hours. The blocker to this is the middle management disease where there's a class of people who spend 40+ hours a week in some kind of update meeting or another and that much talk…

"The benefits COULD hit by employers reducing everybody's hours."

This will never happen in the USA. Together with UBI.

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Post by FpUser »

Aachen wrote: post #338
FpUser wrote: post #129

The solution I think is to tell all of them starting with clouds to go fuck themselves (where possible of course) and start self hosting. I do this for years and am totally happy. I was also hosting on Hetzner and was thinking to do it again for some (not all) services but not with this new wonderful deal.

Where do you send emails from?

Same company that registers my domain as well. But I have readable local copy of all my emails.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Kon5ole »

ryandvm wrote: post #280

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Your complaints could have been made in the 80s as well. When the personal computer was introduced it removed tons of jobs, Bill Gates became the first 100 billionaire.

But we ended up with lots more jobs than the ones that disappeared. The industry has kept millions of people employed for almost 50 years.

The billionaire founders are usually "worth" far less than the economic activities in the companies they own. Would the same economic activities have happened in a system where billionaires can't appear as a result of the same activity?

I don't see how, and it certainly hasn't happened yet.

Anwyay! Talking to my computer and have it do the things I tell it, like I'm in freggin' Star Trek, feels like a pretty huge upside already! :)

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

Damn. I set up a 2vCPU 4GB RAM VPS on Linode for my web app (Linode 4GB). Was ready to move there. Then I found Hetzner has servers in the US and I could get more for my budget (~30$/month). Not anymore!

CPX22 (2vCPU 4GB) seems to be the exact same price as Linode 4GB (24$/month).

Linode dashboard is really good.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by RichardCA »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #343
philistine wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all a matter of perspective. 100 years ago, the middle class' purchasing power is far bigger. Compared to 50 years ago, the middle class is getting poorer.

The typical middle class family 50 years ago lived in a house you’d consider small and dingy, ate food you’d consider poverty meals, and drove a car you’d consider a poorly assembled death trap. Ask your parents or grandparents how often they got to have real butter growing up.

I'll just add...

Being able to eat pork without cooking it to death for fear of trichinosis is a recent development.

Also, the old movies where someone tries to commit suicide by sticking their head in an oven. That was coal gas and we don't heat homes with it anymore.

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