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Hamas' mass murdering isn't a "police problem" whatever that's meant to mean and they are quite explicit in their goal of genocide of the Jewish population in the southern levante.
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I've come around on the idea of a Palestinian state. Once they have a state, the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank will finally have defined borders and a single sovereign. And history shows they can be relied upon to launch another genocidal war on Israel more or less immediately. Then it will be a war between two nation-states, not a nation-state vs. an unaccountable terrorist organization that pretends to be a prope…
> they can be relied upon to launch another genocidal war on Israel more or less immediately. They'll certainly have learnt a lot from Israel in that respect.
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> Protesting in support of Palestine is not protesting in support of Hamas. Yet every Palestine support protest includes Hamas symbols and chants to exterminate a certain group of people.
One MAGA hat at a Republican rally doesn't mean all Republicans are MAGA. If anything is to be learnt, it is that individuals should be judged as individuals, or at least that individuals should not be judged by the worst actions of a group that they may (only appear to) be a part of. A good way for "one side" to trivialise or demonise "the other side" would be to seed "the other side" with extremist messaging.
It's insane how universities are so chill when students literally call for genocide of Jews.
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While I actually have sympathy for people on both sides of the struggle, I also find it hard to answer "yes" to both questions, mostly because of how muddied the definitions of everything are. It's obvious to me, that both the Israeli government and Hamas are both committing serious warcrimes, and that there no good actors here, here are some questions I don't have an answer to. For example, is Palestine its own coun…
Yes, Israel is unequivocally committing genocide in Gaza. Genocide is not just "are they killing everybody", but also "are they driving people from their ancestral homelands"? Israel is constitutionally an ethnostate. If there is an existing population, there is literally no way to establish an ethnostate without genocide - either through killing or displacement.
Which is obviously why "Free Palestine" marchers regularly show their solidarity with the Germans genocided by Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German...
Free Danzig! Down with the settler colonialist genocidal state of Poland!!1
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But the protest isn't about who funds whom. It's about criticizing what Israel is doing. > If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up. I want to discuss it but you misunderstand the topic and seem angry based on your own misunderstanding.
I didn't misunderstand or get angry. You brought up people not protesting Palestine. I didn't insult you, belittle you, or anything else so I don't know why you would think I'm angry except you've just decided everyone who agrees with you is angry, which is a bad habit to have
If you weren't, we would just discuss normally without insulting that the other side didn't have intention to discuss in a discussion forum.
So, somehow my comment angered you that you had to resort to the tactics of undermining the other side.
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I think you mean one of the two governments works tirelessly to minimize casualties, especially children. The other of the two governments works tirelessly to maximize casualties, especially children. Both sides, of course, occasionally fuck it up too.
You see this reflected in the huge number of children killed by Israel and minimal child casualties killed by Hamas. Israel is committing genocide while Hamas is resisting occupation and the stats make that crystal clear.
> Hamas is resisting occupation
This is definitely not true. The fact that you downplay what Palestine has been doing is wild.
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> Most Americans would prefer that we fund neither. I'd say, based on the latest election result, this isn't true. Trump was basically like: I'm gonna fuck up Palestine. They'd better watch it. He was always clear about this. And then he won every single swing state and even won popular vote. Not that I agree with Trump. I merely state what I've observed.
> I'd say, based on the latest election result, this isn't true. The Israeli-Palestine conflict is far from the #1 priority of things US voters consider when voting in presidential elections. Also, winning by one of the narrowest margins in US election history, and with less than 50% of the popular vote is hardly a decisive mandate to give Israel a blank check. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/22/us/politics/t…
This dude said he would help commit genocide and became the first republican to win popular votes in 20 years.
> The Israeli-Palestine conflict is far from the #1 priority of things US voters consider when voting in presidential elections.
If a president promises to commit a genocide, I don't think any kind of policies would get voters (who are against genocide) to vote for him.
It's certainly not #1 priority but it is a deal breaker.