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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Oras »

andix wrote: post #64
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I start to think that AI might be a net negative on the economy. It consumes an enormous amount of resources, just to keep doing what we did before Outside of HN, this is all people are seeing. Gamers in particular aren't seeing a benefit. They are being priced out of their hobby. The recent DDLS 5 meme is what people think of when they hear AI.

Even inside the software bubble it's debatable if there is a significant benefit on productivity (judged by total cost). But even pure software companies are hit by higher hardware prices. Their customers need to buy expensive hardware and have less budget left to spend on software.

It will clearer soon after the api pricing model enforced on enterprise accounts.

I suspect this will soon follow and no fixed subscription model, which will enforce companies/developers to be moderate and thoughtful when using AI. Also I think Microsoft will do the same for copilot

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Post by andai »

zkmon wrote: post #182

It is sucking away electricity from cities, making hardware costly for common user, pumping heat into global atmosphere, taking away jobs, creating massive amount of slop, killing human motivation for creativity, making academics and exams harder, creating fakes that are undetectable, filling internet with plastic content, pumping tons of unmaintainable code, wrecking websites ... Still - AI is a great achievement?

Yeah. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

speedgoose wrote: post #200
yread wrote: post #114

There can only be so many "I saved 10x by moving to Hetzner" posts before they pick up the value they were leaving on the table...

I moved to Scaleway one or two price upgrades ago. Be ready to see the same, but with OVH or Scaleway instead.

Which plan? Because even with this hetzner price increase it's still 2-3x cheaper than scaleway.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by TiredOfLife »

nomilk wrote: post #150

Similar providers (heroku, aws) haven't increased their compute/ram/ec2/dyno prices recently; why is Hetzner's increase so massive (> 3-4x) - wouldn't increased hardware costs affect everyone else too?

Because heroku and aws were 10x previous hetzner price

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Post by Havoc »

elAhmo wrote: post #157
Aldipower wrote: post #147

And the worst for my setup, there is no more ECC RAM available in their offers. At least not unless you pay an insane amount of cash..

Is ECC RAM that much valuable in day to day for non-critical usages?

I’ve had it catch a bunch of errors on borderline memory at home. (Despite the memory passing memtests).

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by romaniv »

AI seems to be ruining every single major thing that drove economic growth for the past 4 decades. PCs, the Web, software in general, high-capacity servers, Raspberry Pis and so on. The next thing to be affected will probably be smartphones. All of these things are foundations of profitable businesses right now and we are destroying them on the mere promise to get to some idiotic utopia in the future.

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Post by seanw444 »

colechristensen wrote: post #166
originalvichy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the real risk after the slow death of personal computing. Even internet resources like servers will be hoarded by the hyperscalers that are the only ones who can afford to order years of compute hardware in advance. I’ve already started buying cheap old business PCs just in case I’ll ever need to have simple barebones machines to run things on.

This is a market shock. The reason it doesn't alleviate sooner is the chip manufacturers are very wary of investing billions on capacity that won't come online until after the shock is over and subsequently going bankrupt. Because that's happened before. IF IT LASTS, capacity will increase. But it won't last. The AI boom is in exponential growth but it's based on heavy speculation about future value and the bubble wi…

> the free investor money does run out

I've been saying the same thing, but that's why they made the move to IPO, no?

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by watermelon0 »

xslvrxslwt wrote: post #133

Hetzner has long been affordable due to its subpar latency and protection, making this price increase very questionable. No one has real reason to choose hetzner if it is not affordable. OVH ends it, one Romanian provider as well.

Can you tell more about their subpar latency?

I've been using Hetzner for many years, both personally and for business use, and I've not seen any noticeable issues regarding the latency.

Granted, my use cases are webapps/backends that are not particularly latency sensitive, and are primarily used from a few European countries.

For what's worth, I've seen cases where download speeds from Hetzner are considerably higher than from AWS eu-central-1.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by colechristensen »

dd8601fn wrote: post #186
colechristensen wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is supply and demand but chip supply isn't very elastic and the producers are conservative about adding capacity that won't be needed by the time it's online.

Doesn’t this presume that chip fabs are betting that the AI boom is a bubble that’s going to pop? Seems kinda hard to believe at this point, no?

Hard to believe that an industry making money hand over fist are reluctant to spend tens of billions expanding capacity that won't come online for years?

There have been SEVERAL crashes that have wiped out the market and it's the reason there are so few players, the rest of them went bankrupt after periods of over-expansion. (in the 80s caused by Japan, in 1997, in 2001ish after the dotcom bust)

You're even calling it a bubble so it's not exactly "hard to believe" it will pop.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by petesergeant »

dcchambers wrote: post #87

Most people IN TECH still don't realize how much hardware prices are going to continue to increase, much less the 95% of the population that's completely unplugged from what's going on with AI-driven hardware demand. All of these price increases are going to get passed down to consumers eventually via increased prices.

Why wouldn't production increase to offset this?
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