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Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by mrweasel »

gmerc wrote: post #112
duttish wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it ramping up a new fab takes a couple of years and several billion dollars. The last time they ramped up production prices had crashed back down by the the time the new fab was fully up and running, so this time they're betting that the scarcity will resolve itself like it did last time.

They are not ramping up.

Because they think it may be a bubble. If it's not, no harm done to the hardware manufacturers, they just make more money per unit, but if it is a bubble, they don't want to be stranded with excess capacity.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by ffsm8 »

yread wrote: post #114

There can only be so many "I saved 10x by moving to Hetzner" posts before they pick up the value they were leaving on the table...

The same will happen with the other providers.

Hetzner just achieved their pricing by using commodity consumer hardware.

This is now making them the canary, as they don't have the multi year business contacts the others have - so they're uniquely vulnerable to the current consumer hardware price increase.

But the rest will follow, unless the bubble burst, which is unlikely to happen before the others increase their costs, too

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Post by xslvrxslwt »

Hetzner has long been affordable due to its subpar latency and protection, making this price increase very questionable. No one has real reason to choose hetzner if it is not affordable. OVH ends it, one Romanian provider as well.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by asats »

crote wrote: post #79
theturtletalks wrote: post #40

I was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. At that same time, I was reading about this story about WireCard. It was like Stripe for Europe and worth billions. Turns out it was run by a Russian spy network and was all a sham. That video alleged Germany’s bureaucracy is filled with Russian agents and this can be traced back to the East/West Berlin days. To save a…

I actually sent them a picture of my passport, and they still denied my account. Hetzner was widely recommended and I was more than happy to pay a premium for their supposedly-excellent service, but I guess they didn't want my money. Oh well. Went with OVH instead, and haven't had any issues since.

Same exact story here, they denied my account despite me sending them everything they requested, no explanation given. Went with OVH and had zero issues.

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Post by nozzlegear »

locknitpicker wrote: post #89
theturtletalks wrote: post #40

I was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. At that same time, I was reading about this story about WireCard. It was like Stripe for Europe and worth billions. Turns out it was run by a Russian spy network and was all a sham. That video alleged Germany’s bureaucracy is filled with Russian agents and this can be traced back to the East/West Berlin days. To save a…

> I was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. I don't really understand what bothers you so much about providing a photo of a "passport" (if you are an European citizen they require a ID card) but credit card info didn't registered as a concern worth noting. Can you explain what is the difference?

I'm a Hetzner user in the US, but I pay for it with PayPal and was never asked to give my passport or identity. Americans are very rarely asked for these documents online, and even then it's typically only for government or financial services. It's also drilled into us that this info can be used for identity theft, so it's only natural to be wary of any non-government entity asking for them.

FWIW, if Hetzner had asked for my passport when I signed up, I would not have given it either.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by mschuster91 »

benjiro29 wrote: post #115
drewg123 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI bubble has increased the prices of nand and ram by a factor of 4, so a 3x increase seems reasonable. Companies that are not big enough to have long term contracts with ram/nand vendors have been hit really, really hard by this.

These prices have absolute nothing to do anymore with memory prices. Do not forget that Hetzner already increased the setup fees by a factor of 4x before to compensate for the price. And also servers getting price increases. It seems they have shifted by reducing the setup fees, and increasing the monthly costs. As this generates more revenue. And its easy to prove this... AX42 ... Its 8700GE that has gone from 65 Eu…

> It seems they have shifted by reducing the setup fees, and increasing the monthly costs.

Monthly costs have gone up as well. Payroll has seen significant increases in Germany, construction has exploded far beyond inflation and, most importantly, electricity prices are still ridiculous due to merit-order and the refusal of splitting up Germany into multiple power pricing regions.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

alfanick wrote: post #102
ulfw wrote: post #81

Everything is getting stupider by the day. Tech is killing itself until this idiotic bubble bursts. Then we'll be in a decade of drought again like 2001

It's kinda awesome, the DDR prices will go extremely down (lower than before the bubble), and it will be spring time for self-hosted opensource models, cause people will be able to afford the hardware. We just need to wait for the peak.

> the DDR prices will go extremely down (lower than before the bubble)

Why? From what I understand, Ram production is not ramping up. Even if a bubble does pop, I don't think it's even guaranteed to drop to where it was.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by rsync »

oasisbob wrote: post #71
binarymax wrote: post #14

This is just the reality of hardware costs now. RAM and Disk are scarce, prices have skyrocketed. I wonder how much leverage the hyperscalers like AWS/GCP/Azure have on their own supply chain to keep costs level in their clouds.

Been wondering the same. GCP recently increased their egress pricing, and was expecting AWS to follow. So far, haven't seen any other notable cloud price increases. Thought for sure they'd be reevaluating by now, I'm surprised to see the stability.

We increased our prices - for the first time in 21 years - last week.

The increase was 25% and was, of course, mainly due to hard drive prices.

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