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Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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Who cares? Just distill some existing frontier models and run the inference yourselves. Instant sovereign AI.

Until they choose to lock their models down (e.g. Fable). Building policy off copying isn't reliable.

By then you've already distilled it. Copying is super reliable. It's a historically-proven way to get nearly the same thing at a fraction of the cost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage#Second-m...

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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The question was never do enough computers exist in Europe, but rather can Europe organize the capital and cross-company / cross-border relationships required to build a big model at scale. There the answer still looks iffy at best. This is where the US has, and continues to, thrive and where Europe can’t get out of its own way.

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a weird sense, the EU exemplifies what the USA would be like without a strong federal government: Dysfunctional as states compete with, undercut and stifle each other.

isnt the eu basically a less federalist version of the usa? how is it then that the usa claims its more free? the individual state members in the EU have more freedom than individual states. someone explain this to me please

Id say the EU is less federal because each member country maintains its own sovereignty and local laws. Its more of a coalition of the willing. While in the US the federal gov can override states. The EU also has each state vote on different legislations. (Massive oversimplification)

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a weird sense, the EU exemplifies what the USA would be like without a strong federal government: Dysfunctional as states compete with, undercut and stifle each other.

isnt the eu basically a less federalist version of the usa? how is it then that the usa claims its more free? the individual state members in the EU have more freedom than individual states. someone explain this to me please

Because the laws are different? Are you really confused?

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until they choose to lock their models down (e.g. Fable). Building policy off copying isn't reliable.

By then you've already distilled it. Copying is super reliable. It's a historically-proven way to get nearly the same thing at a fraction of the cost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage#Second-m...

Howre you going distill if they block your access e.g. Fable

Re: Can Europe train a frontier AI model on the compute it owns?

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post #6

Sure, theoretically, if it could come to an agreement, and meanwhile the cross-border cooperation of even the inter-EU countries is at an abysmal rate, and currently, even during a goddamn land war with Russia, Germany and France can't come to an agreement to build a fighter jet ensemble (together).

You mean like they've been doing since the 1950s with the the largest physics laboratory in the world (CERN)? Or more to the point, the European High-Performance Computing Joint Undertaking (EuroHPC JU) of which 27/27 EU member states participate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_High-Performance_Comp... Even at the smaller level the ethos and ambition is clear - take EURO-3C: the Horizon Europe project aimed a…

Compute 2027 coming soon ;)
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