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Anthropic's Safety Superpower
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
N-1? N-2?
Best-possible-model (N) - Two Generations (2), same with N-1, N is the SOTA in this example. I'm not sure that actually clarifies what the comment is trying to say other than they think the models will be nationalized (can't even imagine what that would look like).
basically imagine the Manhattan project, but instead of blowing up the desert they're building the biggest datacenter you've ever seen.
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no nationality controls in place Not for now, but how long before we have KYC regulations concerning LLMs?
That’s really what Dario wants. Let’s hope he doesn’t get it
But he already got it, no? Claude Fable can only be made available to US citizens, which implies that every user who wants to use Claude Fable must provide proof of citizenship in some way, basically KYC.
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The whole thesis falls apart though. You can't be on your way to "power over everything" and get distilled into free Chinese models within months. Pick one. But is that last part actually true though? Sure, there might be 600B+ models available for download and local inference if you have the hardware, but does the users who use Anthropic switch over to those even if they're available even as hosted models? Seems l…
> Anthropic and Claude remains very popular among the people who use LLMs Only because someone else is paying the bills. I use Claude Opus at work because my employer pays for the tokens and encourages me to do it. At home, I use DeepSeek Flash. It's not as good, but it's maybe 0.7 quality for 0.001 cost.
I have a question that perhaps you or someone else here has an answer for: I enjoy using Opus via Google Antigravity (usually agy) for perhaps 90 minutes a week. For Google’s subsidized $20/month plan they seem to give out a reasonably generous amount of Claude tokens. How does this compare with Anthropic’s $20/month plan using Claude Code?
BTW, I also use DeepSeek v4 Flash very frequently: fast and so cheap it is almost free.
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#95The whole thesis falls apart though. You can't be on your way to "power over everything" and get distilled into free Chinese models within months. Pick one. The bottleneck is compute and data, not the model. That's why they could only gate it for a bit. The ITAR thing proves it: no nationality controls in place, so the only option was killing the whole thing. Not exactly what an all-powerful gatekeeper does.
I disagree. It is not the model alone. It needs a system which capitalizes on it. And this is very complex. Hardware, software, architecture - it takes a lot to get it right. Try running the latest OS models on a normal Mac or PC. Claude Fable and Mythos are systems not just pure models. And of course marketing. Don't believe the hype. I think Claude is often times underwhelming. Security concerns are also a concern…
> Try running the latest OS models on a normal Mac or PC.
It can be done through the magic of SSD offload. The worst case involves seconds-per-token speeds, but that's OK if you only care about low volumes of slow unattended inference, which maximizes utilization for the hardware.
(The real worst case, where you're streaming the whole model from the cheapest storage you could feasibly think of, involves multiple minutes per token for a single inference, or even hours per token batch if you're doing many inferences in bulk. That's a lot less helpful, so there's a space for smaller models at the edge, even for unattended workloads.)
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
the inevitable trend is that numbers will be free and nobody will control the whole thing ai-celebrities are just clinging to relevance like all the other celebrities out there
HN is the builder side of the conversation, and in my experience, few safety people congregate here. The safety side of tech is a PTSD inducing shit show. Governments are more than happy to champion age verification laws, because parents, around the world, are clamoring for anything to pump the breaks on the social media experiment. Society outside of HN is quite tired of Tech, and I despair of figuring out a way to…
Social media is old hat now.
As someone on the "safety side of tech", social media is being exploited to increase surveillance and government control precisely because its actual social influence is heavily on the wane, and capital is happy to sacrifice what's left to increase the profits of the expanding public/private tech surveillance industry (with "protect the children" controls on social media like age verification being the usual backdoor route it always is).
Society may be growing tired of Tech, but governments aren't, and in fact they're heavily expanding their back channel reliance on not-traditionally-military Tech as an extension of their Defense spending.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
>EU CloudFlare What limitations does bunny.net have?
> What limitations does bunny.net have? A huge free tier (technically, none)
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Best-possible-model (N) - Two Generations (2), same with N-1, N is the SOTA in this example. I'm not sure that actually clarifies what the comment is trying to say other than they think the models will be nationalized (can't even imagine what that would look like).
basically imagine the Manhattan project, but instead of blowing up the desert they're building the biggest datacenter you've ever seen.
Isn't this the beginning of the plot of "I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream"? The exceptionally disturbing dystopian horror?
Re: Anthropic's Safety Superpower
#99Perhaps they should consider leaving the US. Pretty clearly the descent into a corrupt autocracy is having real consequences.
Where would they go?
1) It’s safe to assume the US would do its best to prevent it, and even if Anthropic was successful in exfiltrating their data, code, models, and people, I’d imagine the US would immediately block all US companies from working with them. So they’d be blocked from their own US-based compute, plus Google, Amazon, Microsoft, xAI, Meta, etc.
2) Where would they go? China maybe, but as far as we can tell it doesn’t have sufficient compute for Anthropic’s level of need. The EU likely as or more restrictive in different ways to the US - the EU is hardly buzzing with AI innovation. Some Middle Eastern countries might have the money, energy, and interest in carving out such a position, but no compute. Plus I’d imagine the US would act directly against any country or region receiving them, economic or otherwise.
3) Then, as said elsewhere, the US would block GPU sales to wherever they found a safe haven, preventing the buildup of the compute they’d need to continue.