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Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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In some industries, Microsoft subscriptions are a drop in the ocean. Switching out things like Entra ID, Office, and print/scanning solutions would cost so much more, and come bundled with enough risk that no sane project manager would take it on lightly. As a C# software provider, making something Windows- and Linux-compatible is easier than ever. So giving up on Windows is effectively the wrong move, because you wo…

So you can list what is good about windows?

Very important for business customers:

- It is very "standardized" (i.e. there exist no distributions that do things differently from each other).

- It cares about binary backward compatibility: it is nearly always possible to run a binary from 30 years ago, and if you are willing to invest some own effort, eben running Win16 binaries can often be run. Compare this to GUI applications on GNU/Linux.

- The operating system and the applications are very separated. I can basically install every version of an application that I want:

If there exists a newer release of some software than what the "distribution" (which of course does not exist in the Windows world) provides that you want to try out: install it now, you don't have to wait for your distribution. There is also no nightmare that some shared library versions have to fit the ones provides by the distribution.

Similarly, I you want to stay with an older version of a software for a longer time: go for it.

It is a very common situation that for some pieces of software, you have very specific requirements which version you want: with Windows, this is very easy, while on GNU/Linux this is - in my experience - a nightmare for unexperienced users.

- If you build one software release on Windows, it will run on basically every Windows computer (the typical thing that you have to do at most is to additional install a runtime provided by Microsoft (e.g. for C++ or C#)). No consideration necessary how to handle each distribution.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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this is among the same kind of problem that people have with facebook and google, and these "login with your ___ account" problems

if so much of your life is centralized through a few accounts, then these companies shouldn't have a legal right to ban you from using it

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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post #172

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You are not worried about 0-days and other malware?

The computer is not exposed to the WAN (behind a firewall), the main way it could get infected is via a vulnerability in a browser, but these do get updated. And OS updates don't really protect you from malware in executables you install anyway.

The other potentially obvious question is why bother using an OS that’s out of support when Linux is so good?

I left Windows 11. The last straw wasn’t Microsoft accounts or Windows updates. I actually thought the OS was fine, most OS updates actually added great new features, and anything I considered an annoyance was easy to disable permanently.

Toss your Windows 11 ISO into Rufus and disabling things like Microsoft account requirements is a trivial process.

What I actually rage quit Windows over was AMD graphics drivers and a couple of my video games crashing.

What caught me by surprise is just how little I’d miss it. I thought I’d need to dual boot or run a Windows VM for little random things. Nope, I just don’t need them.

I didn’t expect to find an OS with more software that I tend to like better. Like my email client, where I moved from Thunderbird to Evolution and for the most part I find that to be a step up in user experience.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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post #189

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It's still bugging me about windows 11

Maybe disable Secure Boot/TPM in BIOS? No more nag screens when PC doesn't support Windows 11.

I never had it enabled on that machine.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Yes it’s hard to see Microsoft become what feels to me a shell of what it once was. Back in the day I got MCP certification and MCSA certification for server 2008/2003.

I managed fleets of windows devices and felt Windows and PC’s were efficient and had a good balance of an operating system and schema that is powerful and effective.

With windows 11.. it’s like an all time low emerged. Where I am just fighting against a platform trying a variety of gimmicks designed to extra rents and push tools that are not really all that useful or polished.

Windows 11 feels bloated and just feels like a struggle.

For me it really is the time of Linux. Whether it be a workstation, a server or even a simple kiosk… Linux just seems to embrace the ethos of what windows has left behind.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The computer is not exposed to the WAN (behind a firewall), the main way it could get infected is via a vulnerability in a browser, but these do get updated. And OS updates don't really protect you from malware in executables you install anyway.

The other potentially obvious question is why bother using an OS that’s out of support when Linux is so good? I left Windows 11. The last straw wasn’t Microsoft accounts or Windows updates. I actually thought the OS was fine, most OS updates actually added great new features, and anything I considered an annoyance was easy to disable permanently. Toss your Windows 11 ISO into Rufus and disabling things like Microsoft…

I would guess because "so good" does not equate with 100% and presumably the user's needs fall in that 5%.

Linux has been usable for non proprietary software for decades now. The fact that people are refusing to jump ship even when Windows actively undermines them and itself speaks volumes of people's aversion (or inability) to switch OSes.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other potentially obvious question is why bother using an OS that’s out of support when Linux is so good? I left Windows 11. The last straw wasn’t Microsoft accounts or Windows updates. I actually thought the OS was fine, most OS updates actually added great new features, and anything I considered an annoyance was easy to disable permanently. Toss your Windows 11 ISO into Rufus and disabling things like Microsoft…

I would guess because "so good" does not equate with 100% and presumably the user's needs fall in that 5%. Linux has been usable for non proprietary software for decades now. The fact that people are refusing to jump ship even when Windows actively undermines them and itself speaks volumes of people's aversion (or inability) to switch OSes.

Oddly I’m like mostly using proprietary Windows software on my Linux machine these days (games).

I also think the AI era goes very far in eliminating those 5% problems. I have a mostly non-technical friend who set up an old laptop with Linux for the first time and he told me that he’d never have been able to do it on his own without AI. Anytime there’s an issue, his solution is just a quick question or copy/paste away.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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post #54

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You don’t have to login with the online account. Before you install: - Disable the network cards in the BIOS - Install - When prompted to setup the network press Shift+F10 - Type: start ms-cxh:localonly - Setup the local account - After install completes re-enable the network cards in the BIOS Nothing could be easier. Truly the most user-friendly OS.

You do not need to disable network interface cards. Just do not connect a network cable and do not connect to a wifi ssid. You also do not need to supply a password for the new local user account. It will now automatically login and have local admin rights.

I bought a returned, "Like New" laptop for my wife. Some Lenovo, higher end consumer laptop. The onboarding process was terrible. Something like, the wifi drivers were not included. I had to create a local account to download the drivers. But there's no ethernet port. Luckily had a USB to Ethernet dongle.

I thought to myself...yeah no wonder someone returned this.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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I hope more people boycott products that require making an account to use. Most developers who would care about this sort of thing seem to draw the line at requiring a subscription, but IMO requiring an account is just as bad. There are cases where you do need an account for syncing data or whatever, but I don't see why I need an account for a fitness tracker, just show me the stats on the watch itself. Worst example of this is phones requiring an account to let you install apps, how did we let them get away with this?

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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I ditched Windows in 2022. I'm not going back to Windows unless Microsoft makes an OS for professionals that is stripped down out of the box to show how serious they are. No ads of any kind, no garbage online account features, nothing, just core offline-ready Windows. I bet it would perform drastically better too.

Sounds like Windows 11 Pro would do it for you, then.
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