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Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by mafuy »

sndgndgndgndy wrote: post #239
lenerdenator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me provide you a preview of how this will go: "You moved my Chrome. I liked my Chrome. Put it back. I can't get to the Facebook. I want to talk on the Facebook and I can't because you moved my Chrome."

Someone who is 75 years old today was 49 years old at the peak of the dotcom craze, and is probably a lot more computer literate than you're giving them credit for. What you're saying might have been true 20 years ago, but it isn't today.

Oh no. Not at all. My mother would say "You moved my facebook" when she could not find Chrome. These people exist.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by prmoustache »

type0 wrote: post #261
bee_rider wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual average user is fine. The problem is most companies seem design for some hypothetical average user, who they hate and/or think is a dumbass.

Your average users are getting rid of PCs and getting Android tablets or iPads instead.

And they are used to lose all their accounts and data on a regular basis, which is also fine because they seem to accept that rather easily.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by prmoustache »

pmontra wrote: post #117
protocolture wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Doesn't that make the account requirement even more scary? So now if MS decides for some reason to lock my account, this will make even the data I have on my local disks inaccessible as well? Depends. The average user would be more afraid if its not backed up online.

I'm afraid that the average user still does not think about backup. Sharing with other devices, probably yes, but the two concepts are only distant cousins.

But they have gotten used to lose all their files on a regular basis. Sure they lament it when in happens but most aren't willing to do anything about that.

My SO lost all her pictures several times over the year when changing phones. She still complains about it when she wants to share or find something old she knew she had but she has mostly accepted it.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by b3lvedere »

halfcat wrote: post #54
ActorNightly wrote: post #48

This may get buried here, but there is one important distinction missing from all these articles. Win 11 Pro allows you to enable local login, and disable all the intrusive microsoft stuff. Ive been on win 11 for the past 5 years and don't even remember my microsoft password at this point. IIRC you still have to set one up when you first install, but then once you switch to local login, any time you open up a microso…

You don’t have to login with the online account. Before you install: - Disable the network cards in the BIOS - Install - When prompted to setup the network press Shift+F10 - Type: start ms-cxh:localonly - Setup the local account - After install completes re-enable the network cards in the BIOS Nothing could be easier. Truly the most user-friendly OS.

You do not need to disable network interface cards. Just do not connect a network cable and do not connect to a wifi ssid.

You also do not need to supply a password for the new local user account. It will now automatically login and have local admin rights.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by mDyJzDPmBdG »

LtWorf wrote: post #189
cm2187 wrote: post #119

I enjoy windows 10 hugely now that it is out of support. It became way better when microsoft started tormenting the users of win11 instead of win10, and now that windows update doesn't bring new catastrophes and unexpected reboot, the OS is finally not interfering with usage anymore.

It's still bugging me about windows 11

Maybe disable Secure Boot/TPM in BIOS? No more nag screens when PC doesn't support Windows 11.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by type0 »

as1mov wrote: post #210
throwaway81523 wrote: post #38

There's a similar thing with Google accounts and Android, amirite? I've avoided having a Google account but it hasn't always been easy.

Surprisingly no, you can use an Android phone without an account. Though you cannot install any applications from the Play Store, tbf I'll count that almost as a positive.

Does it allow users to receive Android updates?

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

iamnothere wrote: post #32
xg15 wrote: post #6

> "To avoid the next problem: 'Microsoft locked my data behind bitlocker, and now I can't get it back.' they need to store that key on the MS account." Doesn't that make the account requirement even more scary? So now if MS decides for some reason to lock my account, this will make even the data I have on my local disks inaccessible as well?

I don’t see what the problem is. Just don’t get into any business that MS considers shady, or disparage the company publicly, or piss off an executive, or get sanctioned because your work with the UN is at cross purposes with the current US administration.

Is that sarcasm?

What happens if MS decides that using competitors software is "shady" - they have previous form of unfair competition practices, so it's not unlikely.

Also, what happens if the US administration decides that MS software is only authorised if you have white skin and support Trump?

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by toofy »

ewoodrich wrote: post #203
toofy wrote: post #162

this is why ive finally ditched windows for everything. ive been a dual boot linux user for years, but still booting into windows for games and work. no more, i just couldn’t take the: - constant nagging - ads for all of microsoft’s other shit that i absolutely did not want to use. copilot, onedrive, xbox, and on and on. - the nonstop “sign in to your microsoft account” etc… - settings i very deliberately changed rev…

FWIW every one of those issues can be solved by running Win11Debloat one time (except update length which is variable based on hardware, but auto-update/restart can be disabled). https://github.com/raphire/win11debloat Persists after updates, and is a straightforward easily auditable PowerShell script enabling/disabling Windows/app features via approved OS provided API interfaces without any hacky brittle workarounds…

appreciate the response. i’ve already moved on tho. microsoft just destroyed the little bit of good will i had towards them. i’d already been dual booting for years anyway. and honestly, while not perfect, linux has come so far that the problems i did initially have were not deal breakers, at all. post install i spent maybe 2 hours figuring out workflow and pwa’ing anything id need regularly like teams. another 2 hours working out any weird kinks and its been smooth since.

two years ago there is no way i could have moved fully over, but new LTS releases are an entirely different ballgame than they were 2 years ago, it’s wild.

if anyone’s curious and considering it, for my work system im running ubuntu LTS (yeah yeah, i know. but for work i need the stability that comes from long term support releases.) and likewise for LTS, my gf runs mint on her work system. for our personals we both run cachy.

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by polski-g »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #79
xg15 wrote: post #6

> "To avoid the next problem: 'Microsoft locked my data behind bitlocker, and now I can't get it back.' they need to store that key on the MS account." Doesn't that make the account requirement even more scary? So now if MS decides for some reason to lock my account, this will make even the data I have on my local disks inaccessible as well?

You can save your recovery key in different formats (printed, on a USB stick, etc). The online recovery is just automatic.

So the encryption of your personal computer is at the whims of the least competent employee at Microsoft?

Re: Windows 11 users are tired of MS account requirements creeping into everything

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Post by giancarlostoro »

marak830 wrote: post #155
giancarlostoro wrote: post #106

I ditched Windows in 2022. I'm not going back to Windows unless Microsoft makes an OS for professionals that is stripped down out of the box to show how serious they are. No ads of any kind, no garbage online account features, nothing, just core offline-ready Windows. I bet it would perform drastically better too.

Yup, Windows 10 LTSC here. It's a lot faster and smoother, but I'm already transitioning to Linux on my other boxes. Will probably move before LTSC runs out as well. edit: I realised I overplayed how much faster and smoother it is. compared to standard win 10 or 11 . Example being my login screen sometimes struggles to come up when the computer is locked (work around double mash CTRL-ALT-DEL)

I have a Surface Book 2 which was insanely fast when I bought it. Its pretty vanilla, I dont like to tweak Windows often it usually feels like it degrades, its been sluggish the last two years or so. Idk what Microsoft did but used to be vanilla Windows was performant enough, they must have fired their performance guys? Idk
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