There will be no peace till Bibi is dead or behind bars.
US and Iran reach cease fire agreement
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#32At least Trump knew he fucked up and democracy forced him to make a deal.
A certain leader in Moscow is still pretending everything is fine.
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#33The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…
I've always wondered what "illegal" means in this context? Is it designed to just be a pejorative, or something incendiary? When is an invasion "legal"? I can't really think of any case where any kind of recognized body of law (especially one that both constituents would recognize) would impose legality on an invasion, so it seems that people say "illegal" in much the same way that "legal" has become a stand-in in ou…
An invasion can be legal when authorized by the UNSC due to some crisis or when it's done in self-defence or to defend some other country.
So examples of some illegal invasions: US invasion of Iraq, Russian invasion of Ukraine. Legal invasions (although illegalities were found afterwards, but much of the invasion was legal) are the invasion of Libya, probably the NATO invasion of Serbia depending on what actually happened (there are still some open questions-- it matters why people went in).
Reasons to think the Israeli invasion of Lebanon is illegal are the mass-bulldosing of civilian buildings, destruction of farmland, some opinion articles about Lebanese territory being legitimately Israeli territory and an appropriate target for settlement etc. It shows a plan that is not primarily about self-defence.
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#34The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…
Disgusting that dehumanising Israelis has become a past time of people on this website. Having stared down Hezbollah flags in Israel’s north and having friends living on the border under constant fire many of whom have had damage to their homes, I have no confusion of who Hezbollah is. If you have any soul, how about you speak to the families of the half a million Syrians that Hezbollah helped Assad’s regime to murde…
How did hezbollah come to exist in what was a christian nation not that long ago?
How would it be erased and without a new one propping up right outside that exclusion zone?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disgusting that dehumanising Israelis has become a past time of people on this website. Having stared down Hezbollah flags in Israel’s north and having friends living on the border under constant fire many of whom have had damage to their homes, I have no confusion of who Hezbollah is. If you have any soul, how about you speak to the families of the half a million Syrians that Hezbollah helped Assad’s regime to murde…
How did hezbollah come to exist in what was a christian nation not that long ago? How would it be erased and without a new one propping up right outside that exclusion zone?
> a christian nation not that long ago?
Gosh .. Leaving aside a history of human occupation going back to 5,000 BC or so and looking just at more recent history, Lebanon came under Ottoman rule in the early 16th century and that "proto state" became a concentration area for Lebanese Maronite Christians who (IIRC) made up only 25% or so of the population.
I think it would be better described as a nation with Christians (and other faiths) rather than as a purely Christian nation.
There's also the post WWI Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon, administered by France, followed by the post WWII new Lebanese state that gained gained independence from Free France - that was a balancing act between multiple religious groups and also hardly a purely Christian nation.
As to the question asked, Hezbollah was founded in 1982 directly as a result of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
That's a very light on detail overview - it's just cans of worms all the way down.
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#36This is massively humiliating for Trump (and the US). None of the US' objectives were accomplished aside from "Iran never having a nuclear weapon" which was already established through the JCPOA, which Trump tore down and never ceased to remind everyone how terrible it was and how Obama was an abysmal negotiator.
Which begs the question, why didn't Trump just try to recreate the JCPOA without going to war? Pride?
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#37The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…
Disgusting that dehumanising Israelis has become a past time of people on this website. Having stared down Hezbollah flags in Israel’s north and having friends living on the border under constant fire many of whom have had damage to their homes, I have no confusion of who Hezbollah is. If you have any soul, how about you speak to the families of the half a million Syrians that Hezbollah helped Assad’s regime to murde…
You accuse me of dehumanizing people while Israel is considering Palestinians just existing, politically offensive. No amount of propaganda and internet censorship can overcome the first live streamed genocide in history, and everybody can see [1] a repeat now in Lebanon, Israels reputation is done.
Also criticism of the government of Israel's actions ISN'T dehumanizing Israelis, THAT is insulting, I can be critical of Trump all day every day without anybody thinking I want harm to come to American people.
[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/24/middleeast/lebanon-destru...
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#38The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…
Disgusting that dehumanising Israelis has become a past time of people on this website. Having stared down Hezbollah flags in Israel’s north and having friends living on the border under constant fire many of whom have had damage to their homes, I have no confusion of who Hezbollah is. If you have any soul, how about you speak to the families of the half a million Syrians that Hezbollah helped Assad’s regime to murde…
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#39There will be no peace till Bibi is dead or behind bars.
It would be a big mistake to assume that whoever succeeds Bibi will take a less aggressive stance than he has. Those hoping to replace him are mostly trying to one-up him.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They leveled whole villages to ground and created "freely kill any citizen you see" zone. That's a rather strange way of describing evacuation zones which Israel announces to reduce civilian casualties. > They made millions homeless. When one starts a war, loses and then refuses to surrender or negotiate a peace deal...that's not exactly surprising.
I described it as what it exactly is. And it is meant to maximize civilian causalities while doing ethnic cleansing. Israel started that war, not civilians. I hope you are not suggesting what it implies.
> And it is meant to maximize civilian causalities while doing ethnic cleansing.
Evacuation zones are meant to minimize civilian casualties.
> Israel started that war, not civilians.
Which war are you referring to? Hamas started the war in Gaza and Hezbollah started the war in Lebanon.