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Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by shevy-java »

QwenGlazer9000 wrote: post #7

All the other comments in this thread talk about emacs instability when that hasn't been the case for me. I'm on doom emacs, update once in a while, and everything mostly just works other than some color scheme weirdness I had to fix. I used to be on neovim, and that ecosystem compared to emacs feels like this image: https://i.imgflip.com/2pg2s7.jpg Some of it is the maintainer shielding us from the breaking changes,…

The irony is that the vim camp can use just the same "argument" here about emacs. So that is a weird comparison to want to make here.

> The editor is older than most devs after all.

Well, being old does not automatically mean better. Peak human physical performance typically happens, with some exceptions (Justin Gatlin, if we ignore the use of enhancement drugs) in younger years; see Usain Bolt's fastest time achieved when he was young (23 years, in 2009). For mental tasks it is not so limited, but for physical peaks it is often in the younger years. For some software projects it also is the case that older age means more code, which in turn automatically mean smore bugs, all other things being equal. I am not necessarily questioning as to whether emacs has more bugs; my point is that the comparison/analogy does not work as means of quality assessment.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by shevy-java »

skydhash wrote: post #10
gnulinux wrote: post #5

My 2 cents (I hope I don't offend anyone, and of course Emacs community is amazing). I've been using Emacs full-time since ~2010 but I must admit it's been more like part-time along with VSCode since ~2024. > This is largely a discoverability problem In my experience it's not a discoverability problem at all . Not even a little bit. My problem with emacs batteries has always been stability between different combinati…

Both you and the sibling common by buzzwords have the same contexte: You’re both using someone’s configuration framework, which goes bery much against the vanilla emacs’s way. Most package assumes something standard and you can expect something to break if your configuration isn’t.

> You’re both using someone’s configuration framework, which goes bery much against the vanilla emacs’s way

I heard a similar argument about vim's billion configuration options.

At some point I simply got tired of having to tweak it and switched to a better editor (not emacs though; both vim and emacs are losing in any debate, but it's a fun debate nonetheless since both camps think software can only be written with these two editors; everyone else must be clueless and skillless).

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

#13

Post by garn810 »

gnulinux wrote: post #5

My 2 cents (I hope I don't offend anyone, and of course Emacs community is amazing). I've been using Emacs full-time since ~2010 but I must admit it's been more like part-time along with VSCode since ~2024. > This is largely a discoverability problem In my experience it's not a discoverability problem at all . Not even a little bit. My problem with emacs batteries has always been stability between different combinati…

Spacemacs is kind of bloated and easy to break with custom packages which are not part of original build

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

#14

Post by __patchbit__ »

shevy-java wrote: post #8

Emacs is a great OS. If you complement it with vim then you may have a working editor as well, provided you know how to exit from vim.

Emacs is the AI acupuncture livecode needle probe into AI robotics. Pair it with Helix editor for the old and true, refresh new experience.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

#15

Post by weinzierl »

shevy-java wrote: post #11
QwenGlazer9000 wrote: post #7

All the other comments in this thread talk about emacs instability when that hasn't been the case for me. I'm on doom emacs, update once in a while, and everything mostly just works other than some color scheme weirdness I had to fix. I used to be on neovim, and that ecosystem compared to emacs feels like this image: https://i.imgflip.com/2pg2s7.jpg Some of it is the maintainer shielding us from the breaking changes,…

The irony is that the vim camp can use just the same "argument" here about emacs. So that is a weird comparison to want to make here. > The editor is older than most devs after all. Well, being old does not automatically mean better. Peak human physical performance typically happens, with some exceptions (Justin Gatlin, if we ignore the use of enhancement drugs) in younger years; see Usain Bolt's fastest time achieve…

If you look at the output of mathematicians and their biggest discoveries it suggests that it is similarly limited for mental tasks.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by kensai »

weinzierl wrote: post #15
shevy-java wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is that the vim camp can use just the same "argument" here about emacs. So that is a weird comparison to want to make here. > The editor is older than most devs after all. Well, being old does not automatically mean better. Peak human physical performance typically happens, with some exceptions (Justin Gatlin, if we ignore the use of enhancement drugs) in younger years; see Usain Bolt's fastest time achieve…

If you look at the output of mathematicians and their biggest discoveries it suggests that it is similarly limited for mental tasks.

Probably this category of mental tasks. For politicians it's the other way around. Prolly you need to have some 'elder statesman' skills as well as wisdom to achieve greatness. Deng Xiaoping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping) started changing China at the venerable age of 70+ moving forward until his death almost two decades later.

Do not underestimate wisdom as a cognitive skill, even if in today's world we tend to discredit it because of agism.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by arikrahman »

QwenGlazer9000 wrote: post #7

All the other comments in this thread talk about emacs instability when that hasn't been the case for me. I'm on doom emacs, update once in a while, and everything mostly just works other than some color scheme weirdness I had to fix. I used to be on neovim, and that ecosystem compared to emacs feels like this image: https://i.imgflip.com/2pg2s7.jpg Some of it is the maintainer shielding us from the breaking changes,…

I find that Emacs is actually the first mover on prime technologies. Just look at gptel and org-mode. Nothing else really even comes close. The reason some odd names exist like yank and kill or kill chain is because Emacs was the first and didn't have anything else to use as reference.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by globular-toast »

buzzwords wrote: post #4

I saw orgmode once and I really loved it. Used Doomed and spacemacs. But dear Lord, does everything break on updates and need fixing. I had to give up as I just don't think it's feasible for me to fix my emacs when I want to get some work done.

What "updates" are you referring to? In more than 15 years of using Emacs I've not once been blocked from doing work due to any kind of breakage.

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by royal__ »

QwenGlazer9000 wrote: post #7

All the other comments in this thread talk about emacs instability when that hasn't been the case for me. I'm on doom emacs, update once in a while, and everything mostly just works other than some color scheme weirdness I had to fix. I used to be on neovim, and that ecosystem compared to emacs feels like this image: https://i.imgflip.com/2pg2s7.jpg Some of it is the maintainer shielding us from the breaking changes,…

Can you explain more what's wrong with the Neovim ecosystem? I just switched from Doom Emacs to Neovim and my impression of Neovim has been much better. (I get that Emacs has a much more powerful backbone, I just realized that I didn't really need that power; I just want a good text editor)

Re: Even more batteries included with Emacs

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Post by rjzzleep »

royal__ wrote: post #19
QwenGlazer9000 wrote: post #7

All the other comments in this thread talk about emacs instability when that hasn't been the case for me. I'm on doom emacs, update once in a while, and everything mostly just works other than some color scheme weirdness I had to fix. I used to be on neovim, and that ecosystem compared to emacs feels like this image: https://i.imgflip.com/2pg2s7.jpg Some of it is the maintainer shielding us from the breaking changes,…

Can you explain more what's wrong with the Neovim ecosystem? I just switched from Doom Emacs to Neovim and my impression of Neovim has been much better. (I get that Emacs has a much more powerful backbone, I just realized that I didn't really need that power; I just want a good text editor)

LSPs keep getting reimplemented, package managers keep getting reimplemented. It's a bit like the react version of text editors.

I used it more than I use emacs, but I agree with the assessment of doom emacs vs neovim.

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