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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by Barrin92 »

bhouston wrote: post #79
kennywinker wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money

From who? Trump can not even get the $10B he said would go to Gaza?

idk about 300 billion, but the Gulf States have already, and rather silently, unfrozen north of 10 billion in assets (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/12/uae-to-unlock-froze...)

which is of course the real kicker, The Gulf states are going to pay for the adventure and deal with an emboldened Iran and their damaged economies and infrastructure. Having US bases in the region has turned from a security guarantee into a disaster, the implications of this are pretty obvious.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by kennywinker »

LPisGood wrote: post #53
an_guy wrote: post #23

Well Obama gave $3 billion dollars in cash to Iran. Atleast he didn't do that, right? RIGHT???

Looks like 25 billion this time around.

> The US and its allies delivering reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300bn

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#103

Post by comrade1234 »

mostafah wrote: post #89

I’m an Iranian in my 40s, and the regime and Western countries have been negotiating for most of my life. I remember being in high school when the first nuclear talks began, and ever since, it has been a never-ending series of talks, understandings, and plans without any real conclusion. I remember there were cases when they talked for weeks, and their main achievement was agreement on the time and place of the next…

The original Obama deal kept Iran isolated and their nuclear stockpile limited. It didn't do anything for the Iranian people and that's tragic but until trump it wasn't the west's problem. The decades of negotiations was to everyone's benefit (except the Iranian people)

Now it is the wests problem (with the strait) but even now no one is going to send an army to Iran.

I know my views are probably overly simplistic.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#104

Post by spwa4 »

mostafah wrote: post #94

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons. Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly. > Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement. If that is still to be…

> If that is still to be discussed, then what have they been discussing so far? That has always been the main issue.

If the agreement means Iran seriously agrees to dilute (which boils down to destroying) it's nuclear stockpile, with UN or US or ... witnesses, that's pretty damn new.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#105

Post by khuey »

comrade1234 wrote: post #103
mostafah wrote: post #89

I’m an Iranian in my 40s, and the regime and Western countries have been negotiating for most of my life. I remember being in high school when the first nuclear talks began, and ever since, it has been a never-ending series of talks, understandings, and plans without any real conclusion. I remember there were cases when they talked for weeks, and their main achievement was agreement on the time and place of the next…

The original Obama deal kept Iran isolated and their nuclear stockpile limited. It didn't do anything for the Iranian people and that's tragic but until trump it wasn't the west's problem. The decades of negotiations was to everyone's benefit (except the Iranian people) Now it is the wests problem (with the strait) but even now no one is going to send an army to Iran. I know my views are probably overly simplistic.

I would bet considerable sums of money that this deal is also not going to do anything for the Iranian people.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by dofm »

woodruffw wrote: post #7

Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

Depends who you ask, I think.

It looks like it is more an MoU than a deal, and I think that allows Trump the cover to drip feed out how humiliating it is, because this isn't the kind of band-aid you rip off all at once.

If I were a betting man I would bet that between now and Friday there will be too much news coverage of just how humiliating this is for the USA, how bad a deal it is, and how much of failure it is, and Trump himself will pull out of the deal. This has, allegedly, happened at least once.

But Iran now seem to be a bit better schooled in how to actually get him to agree, so perhaps they will be persuaded to smile a shit-eating grin while he takes a victory lap, and simply keep the most humiliating details of it under wraps until he signs.

How long it is before Trump claims to renegotiate it, who knows. Just the other day Trump said he might not renew USMCA — his own prior great achievement of loudly renegotiating NAFTA to be not significantly worse.

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#107

Post by ep103 »

mostafah wrote: post #94

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons. Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly. > Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement. If that is still to be…

Trump released Iran's frozen assets, in return for them opening the straight and thereby dropping oil prices before the midterm elections.

Reminder, the reason Trump hated the Obama deal was because he construed it as paying Iran not to develop nuclear weapons. Obama was paying Iran with the money from Iran's frozen assets. Trump's deal gives them that money, and has no nuclear agreement.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by petilon »

spwa4 wrote: post #104
mostafah wrote: post #94

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons. Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly. > Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement. If that is still to be…

> If that is still to be discussed, then what have they been discussing so far? That has always been the main issue. If the agreement means Iran seriously agrees to dilute (which boils down to destroying) it's nuclear stockpile, with UN or US or ... witnesses, that's pretty damn new.

Iran hasn't agreed to that. United States agrees to allow Iran to dilute its stockpile of highly enriched uranium on Iranian soil under a future comprehensive agreement.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by spwa4 »

petilon wrote: post #108
spwa4 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that is still to be discussed, then what have they been discussing so far? That has always been the main issue. If the agreement means Iran seriously agrees to dilute (which boils down to destroying) it's nuclear stockpile, with UN or US or ... witnesses, that's pretty damn new.

Iran hasn't agreed to that. United States agrees to allow Iran to dilute its stockpile of highly enriched uranium on Iranian soil under a future comprehensive agreement .

Jep, it's not exactly a clear agreement. I agree.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by petilon »

ep103 wrote: post #107
mostafah wrote: post #94

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons. Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly. > Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement. If that is still to be…

Trump released Iran's frozen assets, in return for them opening the straight and thereby dropping oil prices before the midterm elections. Reminder, the reason Trump hated the Obama deal was because he construed it as paying Iran not to develop nuclear weapons. Obama was paying Iran with the money from Iran's frozen assets. Trump's deal gives them that money, and has no nuclear agreement.

Rising inflation at home forced Trump's hand.
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