Amodei exhibits the common failure of guys on the spectrum, gleefully recounting gruesome news and portents. And that's fine, everybody's different and I like to believe he's not happy that everybody will be shaken and jobless, but you are the CEO of a "trillion" dollar company and the portentious news is being written about your actions. Presentation matters, more so when your audience is A world leaders B the entire world.
Did Anthropic ask for this?
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Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#62The premise here is rather ridiculous, and only entertainable if you don't know about the recent history of the admin declaring Anthropic a supply chain risk because they required the government to agree to ethical clauses that would've been considered unthinkable until recently. Remember, all AI companies openly claimed to oppose military usage just a few short years ago. Now they all have government contracts that…
>because they required the government to agree to ethical clauses that would've been considered unthinkable until recently
This theory doesn't make sense with the context that they happily signed a follow up deal with OpenAI containing the same restrictions.
The more likely theory was that it was because Anthropic wanted to be the ultimate arbiter of what was considered violating.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#63Maybe this will be simpler for Anthropic to understand if they take their own high-minded philosophical nonsense and ego out of it and consider it the way a neutral party would. Suppose a company calls themselves The Doomsday Device Company. They make and sell excellent-quality doomsday devices. They regularly go online to proclaim that their doomsday devices are the best and most powerful, and also that doomsday dev…
>(They don't, but they claim they do.) I hate to shill them, but wasn't mythos/Fable SOTA? Your main point still stands without this aside
What does this question mean? Of course they are state-of-the-art. After all, they are the most recent and most advanced models out of Anthropic. If/when they release a new version of their models, Mythos/Fable will cease to be state-of-the-art, as the new ones become it.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#64Maybe this will be simpler for Anthropic to understand if they take their own high-minded philosophical nonsense and ego out of it and consider it the way a neutral party would. Suppose a company calls themselves The Doomsday Device Company. They make and sell excellent-quality doomsday devices. They regularly go online to proclaim that their doomsday devices are the best and most powerful, and also that doomsday dev…
Okay, but hasn't OpenAI been doing the same thing for years? They seem to be on slightly better terms though...
Yes, albeit not to the dame extent
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#65What I feel like is missing in the common discourse here is that Anthropic genuinely believes that AI poses an existential risk for humanity either in terms of literal survival or extreme mass surveillance, human disempowerment etc. So if you take these risks seriously, which the median commentor on HN obviously doesn't, what is the right thing to do? I.e. OpenAI just went full evil corpo mode and went all in on the…
> So if you take these risks seriously, which the median commentor on HN obviously doesn't, what is the right thing to do? Easy. You oppose it. You dedicate all your resources to stopping not just OpenAI, but anybody trying to make these technologies. With all those billions of dollars, you could get a lot done. Anthropic doesn't do this, which exposes the fundamental hypocrisy in their stated philosophies.
Anthropic has called for a coordinated pause: https://www.reuters.com/business/anthropic-says-ai-labs-need...
I characterize the culture of companies based on who works there. Anthropic is founded by people who left OpenAI because it didn't take safety seriously enough. But if AI development has to happen, they want to be the ones leading it. People who do not feel that way, including Anthropic's former head of safety, just don't work there.
Generally, corporations spending billions of dollars on lobbyists is frowned upon. I suspect individual Anthropic employees may make significant donations to AI safety politics and charities, but I don't have proof.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#66Maybe this will be simpler for Anthropic to understand if they take their own high-minded philosophical nonsense and ego out of it and consider it the way a neutral party would. Suppose a company calls themselves The Doomsday Device Company. They make and sell excellent-quality doomsday devices. They regularly go online to proclaim that their doomsday devices are the best and most powerful, and also that doomsday dev…
Okay, but hasn't OpenAI been doing the same thing for years? They seem to be on slightly better terms though...
OpenAI is happy to sell their device to the gov’t to blow things up with, Anthropic tried to tell the gov’t to pound sand, no blowing things up for you.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#67What's the actual verdict on who reported it?
The article is writing as if Amazon did a complex analysis and then reported it.
But the latest reporting id read was it was not a jailbreak, and reported by the ceo (not the old technical CEO btw, the new bizdev guy)
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
>(They don't, but they claim they do.) I hate to shill them, but wasn't mythos/Fable SOTA? Your main point still stands without this aside
What does this question mean? Of course they are state-of-the-art. After all, they are the most recent and most advanced models out of Anthropic. If/when they release a new version of their models, Mythos/Fable will cease to be state-of-the-art, as the new ones become it.
It means Mythos/Fable was the strongest model globally, not just the newest model from a company.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#69I posted this comment on the other thread, but it deserves mention here too, because Anthropic also asked for this ~10 days ago, separately from the post linked in the article. https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improveme ... > We believe it would be good for the world to have the option to slow or temporarily pause frontier AI development to enable societal structures and alignment research to keep u…
Great, so let's have the government apply the standard across the industry and see whether Anthropic sticks to their stated beliefs.
Re: Did Anthropic ask for this?
#70> In my opinion, they mostly imagined these regulations applying to other people, especially open source projects, academics and smaller companies. Now that they are being subjected to the exact sort of regulation they have proposed, they do not like it.
> I think all of this was extremely irresponsible of them, and I feel a good amount of schadenfreude that the leopard ate their face first.
Can't say I disagree. Hope this costs them many, many billions.