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US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran was fully abiding by the JCPOA (Obama Iran deal) until Trump pulled out in his first term. Trump hates Obama so that was entirely out of spite. What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it despite it being a Democratic party "win" when it was first announced.

Except Biden did try to restart the talks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...

Why would Iran take that at that point? There's no trust.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

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Iran didn’t insist on enrichment for weapons. They had verifiably stopped and then Trump threw away the deal where they agreed to stop. This is 100% Trump’s fault, from start to finish.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#83

So basically the Obama agreement that Trump trashed. Only now people had to die to get to this point.

…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money

This completely ignores the shareholder value to the military industrial complex and the truth machine value of prediction markets from the not-insider traders.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#84

"For purposes of mine removal" -- what the hell is that line about ...

I have it on good authority that Iran doesn’t know where all the mines are buried.

I have it on good authority there are still ww1 mines in the North Sea. Mines drift. At best you know the co-ordinates of where you released them from a ship.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#85
post #77

So basically the Obama agreement that Trump trashed. Only now people had to die to get to this point.

Obama's agreement didn't stop enrichment, leading to the current crisis.

It did though? Trump pulled out of the deal in his first term and then Iran enriched from 3%.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#86
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran had already passed the IAEA red-line of enriching uranium to 60%. They had already accomplished virtually all the hard parts of building a bomb. https://fordow.net/blog/posts/enriched-uranium-proliferation... Is a good explainer about uranium enrichment. > The most alarming aspect of 60% enrichment is how close it brings a country to weapons-grade material 4344. The enrichment work required to move from 60% to 9…

You left out the part that they went past the 3.5% after Trump pulled out of the deal. While they were in it, they were complying fully as per IAEA and the US State department themselves.

I didn't leave out anything. I was making a factual statement that the Iranian nuclear program had already been "accelerated" to a point where objectively, with the engineering expertise they doubtlessly have, they could have potentially built a bomb within weeks or months, as the most difficult and time-consuming part was already done, which is why nonproliferation proponents get so upset about that level of enrichment.

Whether this is Trump's or Biden's or Joe Rogan's or a space alien's fault is for other commenters to discuss. I do not find the politics interesting. Nuclear science is interesting.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#87

Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Biden did try to restart the talks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...

Why would Iran take that at that point? There's no trust.

I didn't say they would, just refuting the claim that:

> What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#89
I’m an Iranian in my 40s, and the regime and Western countries have been negotiating for most of my life. I remember being in high school when the first nuclear talks began, and ever since, it has been a never-ending series of talks, understandings, and plans without any real conclusion. I remember there were cases when they talked for weeks, and their main achievement was agreement on the time and place of the next negotiations. Today’s “deal” is no different. No party is releasing an official text; apparently, it’s not a real deal but a memorandum of understanding outlining a plan for further talks over the next 60 days. Another 60 days on top of the last two decades.

And all of these have only bought time and money for the regime to continue its nuclear ambitions, terrorism plans, and oppress the people of Iran, including almost daily executions of innocent protestors during the last few months as these negotiations went on.

The truth is, it won’t be possible to solve this issue with this approach. You can’t get a snake to sign a document to agree not to be poisonous anymore.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

#90
We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to completely destroy the theocratic regime and we did not finish the job. This "deal" (or what transpired of it) is pathetic and will only allow the mullahs to rearm and come back stronger in the future. We will live to regret not resuming combat operations and weakening the regime until it isn't a threat to anyone.
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