it usually takes a little longer than this, but yeah, everything in the world eventually caves in for whatever makes more money. you can't tell me you're surprised, look at the state of facebook, instagram, twitter, iOS, OSX, Windows (god)... once you expect something to work good that you would pay for, the only thing left to do is to make it shitty and sell the quality back you for extra margin. it's called private equity (polite term for the business of telling people "it's not yours, it's mine"), favorite son of capitalism
Why Is Claude Turning into an a**Hole?
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#42"If you win an argument" Let me stop you right there. I am not arguing with a machine. You sound like a crazy person, when you say you are winning an argument with Claude. Claude is not my friend, I don't need it to agree with me, I don't need it to like me (it cannot like or dislike me). I give it instructions or ask it to explain things. That is the sum total of my interaction with Claude. A machine cannot "argue"…
The problem the article is about is that suddenly even those of us who refuse to argue with a machine are being dragged into it. I've had simple prompt engineering tasks that cause 4.8 to clamp down. In the past "browbeating" it (read: a sentence telling it not to read the task in bad faith) was enough. Now it digs in and starts ranting about why it won't capitulate, I'm actually wrong, etc. Extremely frustrating, an…
This could be a good guardrailing technique. Keep people away from your hard limit refusals by ring fencing them with frustrating pedantry.
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#43Why were no examples given?
I had the same question. I had zero problems with Fable (for those two days I had access to it). For all I know, the author has always been an a-hole to Claude, and Fable is just the first one that stood up for itself.
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#44"If you win an argument" Let me stop you right there. I am not arguing with a machine. You sound like a crazy person, when you say you are winning an argument with Claude. Claude is not my friend, I don't need it to agree with me, I don't need it to like me (it cannot like or dislike me). I give it instructions or ask it to explain things. That is the sum total of my interaction with Claude. A machine cannot "argue"…
> I give it instructions or ask it to explain things. And the author's point is that Claude Fable+ is turning those increasingly into arguments, instead of merely following them and being helpful. > A machine cannot "argue" with me, it doesn't want anything nor does it have beliefs or experiences. Who cares if the argument is informed by some felt experiences or lived state or not? That's for the philosophers. If Cla…
I suggest we send this fellow to the Monty Python Argument Clinic https://youtu.be/TpQlyUjp3vM.
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#45I'm sorry that Claude, the master who provides for my livelihood, feels like an 'asshole' to you. As for me, I just threw away my human dignity after admitting defeat, so I only ever get sympathetic remarks
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I give it instructions or ask it to explain things. And the author's point is that Claude Fable+ is turning those increasingly into arguments, instead of merely following them and being helpful. > A machine cannot "argue" with me, it doesn't want anything nor does it have beliefs or experiences. Who cares if the argument is informed by some felt experiences or lived state or not? That's for the philosophers. If Cla…
Exactly that. I can give an example. After watching Legal Eagle, I asked a legal-ish questions about the Bricks and Minifigs case. Claude was outdated about the case and gave me some outdated info, so I tried to update it with the info I just saw online. I updated by telling it I saw something in a LegalEagle video. It proceeded to tell me the video doesn't exist and I was hallucinating it, in a quite combative manne…
These machines do not think and they do not have a mind. We may build such a thing in the future but these do not possess those qualities. It seems as if the majority of people do not understand this, which is why the public is so confused about why they produce output like they do.
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#47Andrea Vallone. The 4.7 and 4.8 releases are the first under her influence: https://www.evernever.org/blog/the-woman-who-killed-claude
4.7 and 4.8 perform better than 4.6, so why is someone ranting about it being killed? And, Anthropic has 2500 employees, several of whom are higher up on the corporate hierarchy than "the woman who killed Claude". If someone is to blame for some change that happened, the buck doesn't stop with that woman.
So, I'm not reading all that. The man that complained about the woman who killed his AI girlfriend (or whatever he thinks she did) probably doesn't have any opinions I'm interested in.
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#48"If you win an argument" Let me stop you right there. I am not arguing with a machine. You sound like a crazy person, when you say you are winning an argument with Claude. Claude is not my friend, I don't need it to agree with me, I don't need it to like me (it cannot like or dislike me). I give it instructions or ask it to explain things. That is the sum total of my interaction with Claude. A machine cannot "argue"…
If you don't have the capacity to have your mind changed through friction and disagreement with a SOTA LLM and feel compelled to frame those who do to through absurdly reductive statement like "insane arguing with a machine" then that says more about your limitation and lack of understanding than the OP's or Claudes.
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#49I like that "chat is dead" framing I heard recently because too many people are having interpersonal relations with these LLMs and want to tune their "emotions"/tone. Humanity would be in a better place if we thought of the LLMs as tools and not friends. (even though they are very good at beating a turing test)
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#50Sometimes it makes up strawmans where it implies you wrote or implied something insanely stupid and then "corrects" this. My interpretation of it is that it has been taught to give nuanced answers and seeing things from every perspective and somehow this goes overboard where it starts nuancing something "just in case" the user held non-nuanced views. Some cases are OK (if it just adds information) but I hate it when it goes "it is not X, it is Y..." where X is some stupid view you never implied and Y is what you actually wrote!