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Extinction-Level Capitalism

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Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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Zionists are not that far off though. For many Zionists parallels include: Like to be militarist and maximalists in their opinion about what land should belong to them. Applaude and show no shame for committing genocide. Employing starvation as a means of war/conflict. Showing no regard for civilian lives. How the rest of the Zionists, who when prompted about such matters may not subscribe to these believes, who migh…

zionism as belief that a group of people has a right for self determination != zionism as war justification. I recall there are different flavors and lumping them together is not helping anything.

I wish you would have either read more carefully, or at least not make it seem as if I stated things, that I didn't. As it stands, your comment basically just makes me shrugg. Thanks for telling me that they are a belief group? Thanks for telling me basically any religious nuts group has various flavors?

Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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Interesting argument, but wrong. It's not obvious that there will be a single AI and that it will by definition concentrate power. At a certain point - intelligence doesn't matter. Unless we're literally headed toward 1984 / matrix at which point it doesn't matter. My guess is the argument for what we're doing is counterintuitively the opposite of what he's making. Unless we go hard at the market - now - an authorita…

So the US will win? Do you realize that the US has a "Secretary of War" who is a literal, unashamed Nazi? Not in the sense of "let's call all racists nazis", but a tattooed, true believer? How could we possibly live in a world where that is not obviously "a government willing to use the technology to fully silence and kill critics"? God, Idiocracy (2006) is nothing compared to World (2026).

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Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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A tattooed, true believer nazi has a Jerusalem Cross tattoo? Weird, thats like the exact opposite of a nazi.

Yes, the regime is quite adept at abusing symbols to distract and deflect. The Cross in particular has been a mainstay of performative hypocrisy for as long as I've been alive. (apologies to the believers and clergy actually living out Christian values, who already have to suffer being railed against as "woke" by the societal maggots)

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Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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Interesting argument, but wrong. It's not obvious that there will be a single AI and that it will by definition concentrate power. At a certain point - intelligence doesn't matter. Unless we're literally headed toward 1984 / matrix at which point it doesn't matter. My guess is the argument for what we're doing is counterintuitively the opposite of what he's making. Unless we go hard at the market - now - an authorita…

You've misunderstood the essay. A central point is to not think about AI risk in terms of matrix/sci-fi scenarios, but in terms of how it might/is likely to function in our societies.

So if you discount the sci-fi scenarios (which is a separate argument), the argument that "we need to be the first to develop AGI" doesn't hold water. If, say, China gets there first, so what? It will affect their society however it'll affect it (likely entrenching authoritarianism if i had to guess). But this has no bearing on us (speaking as an american)

Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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Big AI is intertwined with these two via data centers, isn't it?

Not really, the power involved would amount to 12% of the grid which is possible to do at net neutral and has efficiency improvements as doubling in under 5 years. If an industry that needed petroleum and F150s was a fraction as good with improvement every 5 decades, I don't think its environmental impact would be considered.

There”s a certain way people are more afraid of unfamiliar and new things and complacent about the old and familiar. Also I think environment and energy concerns about AI are overblown because of hype, like they are claiming they are building many times more data centers that are being built. A lot of the opposition to AI is based on critics being uncritical about numbers put out to justify the bubble, just like all the talk about danger similarly drives a false feeling of fomo-urgency.

Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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There's a core problem this analysis overlooks: OpenAI and Anthropic don't have a moat. The Chinese labs are consistently able to replicate their LLM capabilities a few months after the fact, and then release open-weight models a few months later... The only way for "Big AI" to become a thing is for them to establish a moat, and right now the only path to that appears to be achieving regulatory capture in the US, whi…

> "release open-weight models a few months later"

They are going to want to profit from their resources expended eventually and when they do, that will end.

Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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There's a core problem this analysis overlooks: OpenAI and Anthropic don't have a moat. The Chinese labs are consistently able to replicate their LLM capabilities a few months after the fact, and then release open-weight models a few months later... The only way for "Big AI" to become a thing is for them to establish a moat, and right now the only path to that appears to be achieving regulatory capture in the US, whi…

You are not allowed to use any model from Chinese labs at American companies. Even from other companies like Mistral it is hard to get access, since enterprises require their own instances on vertex/bedrock/azure, and to run alternatives you have to go through multiple layers of management. In practice, no employee will proactively advocate for alternative models and the oligopoly is written in the wall, specially since the investments are circular anyway.

Re: Extinction-Level Capitalism

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pure Capitalism is law of the jungle as we will soon find out, when AI will become better at Capitalism than us

Not at all. Capitalism only exists as a product of the state, which acts as a guarantor of individual private property rights. It would not be able to survive without the laws and law enforcement of a sovereign with a monopoly on the use of force.

anarchy is also capitalistic in nature
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