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EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by sajithdilshan »

This is a wake up call for EU, but it’s already too late IMO. ChatGPT was launched in 2022 and since then only company in EU which has released a model that is even closer to a frontiers is Mistral.

With strong data protection, copyright and privacy laws, it would be a nightmare for any company to train models because activists lawyers would sue left and right.

Even by some miracle they come up with the model, again the hardware would be from US companies. It would take years to build a European equivalent of AWS and not to mention the talent required to do that. Given how low the wages in European countries are compared to American counterparts, and also lack of incentives from the governments I truly cannot think of a way how EU can catch up to US or China. Although I would love to be proven wrong

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by krzys »

dgellow wrote: post #5

Please, for once, react in a meaningful way. No "we are concerned and will consider strongly monitoring".

I'm seeing this downvoted, but it's - unfortunately - painfully true! European politicians are only ever judged by what they say, not what they do, so there's no incentive beyond the empty words. As a result, this is all they do: they express a populist opinion and jump to the next hot topic, with no actual work put into solving any of the issues.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by rippeltippel »

this_user wrote: post #22
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #13

If American services can be yeeted on a whim, American services can no longer be relied upon. The Fable debacle seems destined to be the canonical reason why the EU built their own software / AI ecosystem.

That would imply that the EU has the ability to build its own, competitive AI ecosystem. At the moment, it's mostly just Mistral, and they have been way behind SOTA for a while now. You can't just legislate this into existence, you also need the money and talent to do it, not to mention the hardware.

Hopefully, EU-based Yann LeCunn's AMI Labs will develop foundational world models at some point. As I see it, the main problem in EU is not lack of talent: it's lack of investments. Mistral itself recently secured 4B, which is 50 times less than what it could have made in the US.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by geysersam »

joe_mamba wrote: post #7
kshacker wrote: post #4

I think due to a variety of reasons EU and US are on a road to divorce. EU will be wise to make that happen on their terms, but they do not seem to be ready. - Monopolies and related regulation. Of course US has its own companies being treated as monopolies so they will try to save them - Social systems including healthcare - Russia being next door vs far away (for US) - The whole AI buildout - A little bit of Libre…

>EU will be wise to make that happen on their terms, but they do not seem to be ready. It's too late for this. The time to execute this was 20 years ago when EU had leverage (the EU stock market was bigger than the US one in 2004, now it's half). Now that leverage is gone and EU is bogged down with massive domestic issues it can't recover from (some of which you mentioned), and starting a massive tech IP/trade war no…

To be fair the value of the stock market is not a good indicator of progress. The US stock market is incredibly inflated.

Besides, it's a bit strange to argue that it's impossible to make a change, and as proof of that take the fact that there's been a big change over the last 20 years.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #13

If American services can be yeeted on a whim, American services can no longer be relied upon. The Fable debacle seems destined to be the canonical reason why the EU built their own software / AI ecosystem.

Greenland has been enough already. EU sovereignty in everything, from data to arms is becoming a widespread official policy.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by sajithdilshan »

joe_mamba wrote: post #2

EU will start strongly "monitoring the situation" and "urging for peace" on monday, but only after after lunch and coffee break, then continue talks in september when everyone is back from their 3 month summer vacation, then have a meeting to decide when to schedule a meeting to decide on how to regulate the use of AI, then in 2030 authorize a massive 50k Euros package in funding to EU companies to build a domestic c…

You know it’s true when the comment is being downvoted by spiteful Europeans

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by ifwinterco »

cassianoleal wrote: post #11
willtemperley wrote: post #9

Odd title, I’m not sure it was Anthropic’s decision. Practically this means Europe has a short window in which to catch up, while the US hobbles its own progress.

Arguably, it was Anthropic's decision to abide by their Government's orders. They could have not done so, but that would likely have consequences they weren't willing to face.

At the end of the day it's not really a decision at all, the government has a lot of men with guns, Anthropic has (presumably) low numbers to zero of men with guns.

You don't really have a choice if the government decides to play hardball

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by DeathArrow »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #31

This is a wake up call for EU, but it’s already too late IMO. ChatGPT was launched in 2022 and since then only company in EU which has released a model that is even closer to a frontiers is Mistral. With strong data protection, copyright and privacy laws, it would be a nightmare for any company to train models because activists lawyers would sue left and right. Even by some miracle they come up with the model, again…

Poor decisions from politicians continue to bite us harder and harder.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by inigyou »

DeathArrow wrote: post #39
sajithdilshan wrote: post #31

This is a wake up call for EU, but it’s already too late IMO. ChatGPT was launched in 2022 and since then only company in EU which has released a model that is even closer to a frontiers is Mistral. With strong data protection, copyright and privacy laws, it would be a nightmare for any company to train models because activists lawyers would sue left and right. Even by some miracle they come up with the model, again…

Poor decisions from politicians continue to bite us harder and harder.

It remains to be proven whether a continent without LLMs would actually be worse off.
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