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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by khalic »

cududa wrote: post #360
khalic wrote: post #345

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It's also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too... so let's not be complacent, we need stronger, completely open data models, open source code, etc. to mitigate this risk

How do you figure that? “also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too” What specifically about their release strategy “reminded” you of that conjecture? The premise that they only open source the models … because it somehow helps them leapfrog American labs, and once they actually can leapfrog them, they’d close source them, doesn’t really track for me. Am I miss…

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position.

If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models?

Think again if it’s the case.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by ifwinterco »

byw wrote: post #242
LaurensBER wrote: post #103

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Based on my first impressions it's about 6 months behind the frontier labs. So very similar to Opus in January. That is, pretty damn impressive and very useable. When it comes to architecture or complex problems it does noticeable worse but I don't think anyone expected anything else. One particular interesting strong point seems to be design and user interfaces. It does seem to punch above it's weight there but that…

> Opus in January So pre-nerf Opus?

Was going to say, I don't think Opus has really got much better in the last 6mo.

It just goes in cycles of being better and then being worse again, presumably based on how much Anthropic are having to optimise inference

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by treebold »

stared wrote: post #351

I would love to give it a try with OpenRouter, but I see it is still not there. From a very subjective KingBench v3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFThJWJgg8 , the results are promising. Curious for more standardized results as well. And for Simmon's pelican.

Here's a pelican (mine, not Simon's): https://codepen.io/filmaon/pen/LExRjLx

It took 1m 1s to generate. Nice details and colours, although still struggling with the bike frame.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

jacker39 wrote: post #357
FooBarWidget wrote: post #340

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If it's really as simple as allowing trade with the west then why are many other developing countries either stuck at the middle-income trap or not developing quite as fast as China? You're not gonna tell me Chinese are smarter, are you?

"At the same time western companies setup factories in China causing massive capital inflows." This was an intentional policy to split China off from the Soviet union it's well documented the same thing never happened for other countries. "You're not gonna tell me Chinese are smarter, are you?" No I'm not, but I will say culture does play a massive role, China was not a bunch of roaming tribes living off the land. Tu…

> Art, science, poetry, fashion, literature, philosophy, culinary arts it was all present and pretty cutting edge up until the communist party ruined things.

You are really, really overselling the state of the late Qing and the Republican era. My wife's grandparents are older than the PRC, and things pre-communism were not as you describe, to put it lightly.

> I actually think this is an intentional strategy

I think you need to look into why it's the poor rural population and not the elite urbanites that overwhelmingly support the communist party.

You can actually do it. If you don't live in the US, you can probably visit visa free tomorrow and just talk to a bunch of rural elderlies to test your hypotheses.

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Post by ttoinou »

illiac786 wrote: post #307
treefry wrote: post #298

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Unless you self host, zero data retention cannot be guaranteed.

That is completely obvious, it’s like saying “100% security does not exist”. I believe you are falling into the nirvana fallacy: No shades of grey, if it’s not perfect it’s as bad as the rest. This is a very inefficient way of thinking as it is not possible to self host everything for most people, it just demands too much time. Hence its is a perfectly valid approach in my opinion to looks at better (or, very often,…

Yeah but how much higher chances ? Could be ver low

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Post by pjmlp »

This will go the same way other US export restrictions, eventually other nations found ways around to implement similar technologies, and stuff like PGP remains a niche technology, even though public/private keys based technology is widespread.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by simondotau »

tancop wrote: post #306
treefry wrote: post #298

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Unless you self host, zero data retention cannot be guaranteed.

apples private cloud compute can get close, its still not 100 safe because backdoors and crypto breaks are possible but you go from trusting the data center operator with all their employees to only the person thats inspecting new hardware and giving out certificates (apple in this case). if some well known non profit like mozilla or isrg starts doing it with full open source software its like the best possible secur…

The handy thing about trusting Apple here is: you were already trusting Apple. I don't necessarily like that trust works this way, but that's just the physics of it.

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Post by Alifatisk »

re-thc wrote: post #346
phainopepla2 wrote: post #112

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That's because Qwen's flagship models are not, in fact, open weight. Qwen3.7 Max, Qwen3.7 Plus and others are closed weight. You can use Qwen3.6 35B A3B (for example) on Openrouter with a US-based ZDR provider, because it's one of their open weight models

> That's because Qwen's flagship models are not, in fact, open weight They changed course when they fired the old lead and hired a new 1 from ex-gemini.

No, Qwen Max series has always been proprietary.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by abc42 »

Genuine question: How safe is it to use Chinese models via their services? Surely Anthropic and OpenAI are ingesting what I push there as well, but they're at least vaguely allied with my home country geopolitically. China on the other hand seems to be interested in supporting countries like Iran and Russia.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

jubilanti wrote: post #139
phainopepla2 wrote: post #113

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Have any major open weight models been "open data"? Wouldn't that entail distributing vast amounts of copyrighted data?

Olmo from AllenAI has been releasing their full pipelines including data [1]. A lot of it is just repackaged and resampled dumps from copyrighted data that has long been publicly available as dumps: Common Crawl, arxiv, Wikipedia, StackExchange, reddit --- all of which are presumably copyrighted with different licenses. Go in Huggingface and you can find massive multi TB data dumps used for pre training. It is just a…

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