Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
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Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#2> “This is all about cyclists on motorised bicycles, so I should think you would do something about motorised cyclists. Make a rule for them and not for all cyclists.”
There's a certain sub strain of cyclists that want absolutely no rules for them.
In a just world, cyclists would have more freedom than cars, but pedestrians would have most of all. But walking through European cities with large cycling cultures can be dangerous, too, especially for children and the elderly. Too often, cyclists will completely ignore stop signs and stop lights, or go at full speed on the sidewalks.
And because I know someone is going to retort that car drivers break traffic laws, too: drivers acting dangerously shouldn't excuse cyclists.
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#3I find it mind blowing that ~42% of all cycling deaths are men aged 70+.
It obviously confounds fragility with participation but, still, it must mean that people continue to use bikes -- I'm guessing increasingly e-bikes -- well into their old age.
(42% is 118/281 in the report.)
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#4I find it mind blowing that ~42% of all cycling deaths are men aged 70+. It obviously confounds fragility with participation but, still, it must mean that people continue to use bikes -- I'm guessing increasingly e-bikes -- well into their old age. (42% is 118/281 in the report.)
I think that if you as 60+ person cannot bike without support your brain is probably also not fit enough anymore for the speed you are going to ride at. So, I advice older people not to use an e-bike. I am not going to use one. Maybe a trike is a safe option at speeds not exceeding 10km/h.
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#5> “This is all about cyclists on motorised bicycles, so I should think you would do something about motorised cyclists. Make a rule for them and not for all cyclists.” There's a certain sub strain of cyclists that want absolutely no rules for them. In a just world, cyclists would have more freedom than cars, but pedestrians would have most of all. But walking through European cities with large cycling cultures can be…
I don't like to think of it in terms of freedom. Everyone has the same freedom to use public highways. The difference is responsibility. If you decide to use a bicycle you have a bit more responsibility than if you walk because they can go faster. If you decide to use a motor vehicle then it should come with a huge amount of extra responsibility. Ultimately you have the added responsibility of ensuring the safety and freedoms of those more vulnerable road users. So it's not "less freedom", it's "greater responsibility".
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#6> “This is all about cyclists on motorised bicycles, so I should think you would do something about motorised cyclists. Make a rule for them and not for all cyclists.” There's a certain sub strain of cyclists that want absolutely no rules for them. In a just world, cyclists would have more freedom than cars, but pedestrians would have most of all. But walking through European cities with large cycling cultures can be…
What that woman you quoted said definitely resonates with me. I cycle a lot and the rise of e-bikes has definitely made my experience worse. Those bikes are capable of inficting a lot more damage yet I find that the average skill level of e-bike riders tends to be lower than that of the general cycling population. IMO not a great combination.
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#720 km/h is nothing. On a bike lane you should be allowed to go normal biking speed
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#812mph seems very slow, but I suppose you can still cycle in the carriageway if you're a decent cyclist?
Really we need to ban motorised vehicles that go above 12mph. They are not bicycles and should not be in cycleways. I feel there is a big difference between someone who is able to pedal at higher speeds and someone who is just using a motor vehicle.
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#9>Amsterdam and Enschede are banning wide-tyre fat bikes from some central locations or parks
What's the reason? Ordinary fatbikes aren't fast, and e-bikes are fast in any case.
Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists
#10The boundary between a bicycle and a motorbike has completely dissapeared.
That boundary needs to be recovered, and then rules will make sense again, until then, any effort is futile.