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Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by lorecore »

throwaway3060 wrote: post #336
sosomoxie wrote: post #287

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The creator of Zionism, Teodore Herzl was very clear that it was a colonial project dependent on ethnic cleansing: > We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the pr…

This is not what the word "colonialism" means in modern times; which imperial state is exploiting the resources of the destination?

Zionism itself is the colonial movement exploiting Palestinian resources. 100% of Israel is on Palestinian land.

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dang wrote: post #324
sourcegrift wrote: post #141

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Post by shakna »

an0malous wrote: post #318
aofjrn48 wrote: post #298

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Did they categorize anti-Israel and pro-Palestine protests as antisemitic hate crimes like the universities did when they reported similar numbers? Do you agree with that categorization?

Whilst that was certainly my gut reaction, looking at the report, they only count actual felonies where charges are laid. Protests and anti-Israel rather than antisemitic things do actually appear not to be conflated.

However... Between 2013 and 2016, when that rule came into play, reported hate crimes rose 18.9%.

This seems to be less a giant jump upwards, and more a slow and gradual increase. Concerning, but not the end of the world. Unsurprising in an environment where "hate the foreigner" is en vogue for the political elite.

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Post by chadgpt3 »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #30
Zealotux wrote: post #2

The israeli ambassador in France should already have been kicked out a while ago for a myriad of reasons, I'm ashamed my country is so spineless.

Europeans couldn't even get Israel out of a silly pop song contest, so it seems a bit hopeless to expect any actual political action.

Israel literally owns that contest. By what reasoning could the EU force the owner of a silly song contest to exclude their own country?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

weregiraffe wrote: post #114
expedition32 wrote: post #10

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A Dutch commentator said something incredibly profound that stuck with me: Israel is a Middle Eastern country instead of an outpost of European civilization.

Interesting idea, considering that the European civilization tried to exterminate the Jews in Europe not so long ago.

And when other Europeans stopped those Europeans from murdering all the Jews, they decided to expel them to the middle east instead, creating the situation we have today.

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Post by chadgpt3 »

fakedang wrote: post #17
expedition32 wrote: post #10

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A Dutch commentator said something incredibly profound that stuck with me: Israel is a Middle Eastern country instead of an outpost of European civilization.

I wonder what makes Europeans think Israel is an outpost of European civilization - just the skin tone? Lol. Israel has always been a country trying to coopt the culture of its Arab neighbors. They've tried to claim shawarmas, falafel and hummus, dishes that are quintessentially Arabic, as their own.

Israel is literally a European colony. Europe sent a bunch of people from Europe to an already populated land to settle there and displace the natives. What definition of "outpost" wouldn't include that?

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Post by smcl »

netsharc wrote: post #337
joxdosba wrote: post #125

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It is an indisputable fact that when polled, most Israelis openly support genocide.

People justified their anti-Muslim hate after 9/11 with similar statements about polls saying most Muslims saw Bin Laden in a good light, and have anti-West views. Not saying I agree with any of it, but I find the parallels illuminating. If anyone wonders why there's more anti-semitism now, s/he can perhaps compare it with how all Muslims are condemned as being members of a barbaric sect after any terrorist attack (y…

Hold on, you're doing a little gymnastics here. People are very deliberately talking about Israel being in favour of the genocide, and quite understandably saying that their government should not be supporting Israel - with "not supporting" meaning anything from BDS to simply not handing billions of dollars to them. Some of the most vocal and strident supporters of this are Jewish. The groups attempting to connect the genocide to Judaism are the US, British and Israeli governments & news media - who are all broadly pro-Israel.

Additionally the anti-Muslim hate was not "ah let's very justifiably cut ties with some mad country" it involved widespread and open islamophobia, calls for mass deaths and indeed invasions of muslim-majority countries.

The two situations are not remotely alike

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Post by throw37843 »

joxdosba wrote: post #125
kombine wrote: post #117

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Let's not pin it all on Netanyuhu, he is a good representation of his society.

It is an indisputable fact that when polled, most Israelis openly support genocide.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

tptacek wrote: post #178
Matl wrote: post #113

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> There's a lot of offensive security talent, but this has nothing to do with Palestinians. Israeli intelligence is very advanced and is why Israel has been able to eliminate the leaders of Hezbollah and Iran. Not everything in Israel is about or related to Palestinians. I would suggest to you that the focus on Iran is because Iran is perceived as being an obstacle to Israeli hegemony in the region and thus undispute…

Well that and the fact that Iran is (was) the other peer military adversary in the region, with forces deployed on Israel's border, and with a longstanding declared intent of eradicating Israel.

It turns out Hezbollah and Hamas are not Persian and don't speak Farsi. Hamas are Sunni.

Most importantly, both groups exist as a direct result of Israeli persecution of their civilian populations. They weren't created by Iran, they're a predictable result that happens when you occupy people's land and oppress them, you get resistance groups.

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