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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#362Just wait until DeepSeek or another Chinese lab drops something with similar capability next couple months. And without any guardrails. See what happens then.
Chinese labs don't seem to be even close to Fable though. Aren't they still catching up to Opus 4.6?
I remember something along these lines being the talk couple years ago. And then DeepSeek R1 dropped and flipped the table. Underestimate China to your detriment.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#363I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…
They literally asked for it. Two days ago Amodei wrote an essay urging the government to regulate them. He explicitly cited Mythos, as proof that frontier AI has acquired autonomous hacking capabilities that threaten critical infrastructure and national security. "Mythos Preview scrambled the global cybersecurity landscape. But its broader significance is that it proves beyond doubt that AI models are now tools of gl…
> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public.
Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alternatively, this is the best advertising for which Anthropic could hope: "Our product, and nobody else's, is so good that the government declared us a threat to national security." If they bring it back for US-nationals only, maybe demanding ID for users, people will think it's the bees knees: "so dangerous that non-Americans can't have access" probably sounds like a ringing endorsement to some C-level decision ma…
> Crowdstrike took down airports in July 2024, and its stock was back up by October; it's double the price now. Everyone saw how systemically important it was and how it took down entire industries, and they asked why they weren't using it themselves if it's so important. See also the 2025 cloud outages. Truly, too big to fail. Capitalism is broken when companies aren't punished but rewarded for screwing up. What poi…
Not even limitoto companies, if you prevent a problem you get fired because your work isn't visible, if you create a problem and then fix it you're a hero
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.
>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.
That's pushing back. The regime doesn't care if the models are good enough, they want the optics of killing lots of people using cutting edge tech, they don't really care if it's the right people.
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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#367putting my old man cap on and I would like to weigh in on the US admin export control on Mythos. It does remind me of the mid-1990s when suddenly asymmetric cryptographic tools such as PGP became a reality and a wide usage possible due to the growing base of internet users. Governments (US, France…) did not understand how to regulate and banned export (and asked users to apply for a licence). I do see a strong parall…
Following the PGP example, I wonder how long until "illegal" tshirts with weights printed on them start popping up.
You'd need a mountain's weight in t-shirts.
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#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
They literally asked for it. Two days ago Amodei wrote an essay urging the government to regulate them. He explicitly cited Mythos, as proof that frontier AI has acquired autonomous hacking capabilities that threaten critical infrastructure and national security. "Mythos Preview scrambled the global cybersecurity landscape. But its broader significance is that it proves beyond doubt that AI models are now tools of gl…
> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.
I will certainly revisit it as more information comes out, but is it your contention that Anthropic solved jailbreaking with Mythos?
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
They literally asked for it. Two days ago Amodei wrote an essay urging the government to regulate them. He explicitly cited Mythos, as proof that frontier AI has acquired autonomous hacking capabilities that threaten critical infrastructure and national security. "Mythos Preview scrambled the global cybersecurity landscape. But its broader significance is that it proves beyond doubt that AI models are now tools of gl…
> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.
What assumption?
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#370Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.
What assumption?
The one I quoted, which contradicts Anthropic’s post and has no supporting evidence publicly available. That a jailbreak was found that accesses the model’s _raw_ capabilities. Something Anthropic has explained was not the case.