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Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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There used to be - probably still are - cameras that would digitally sign all their images. Used in crime scenes? Maybe we will end up seeing wider adoption of this, despite the privacy implications. Hackers attention then will focus (once again) on the certificate supply chain and crypto hardware.

I worked for a company that made these. We sold expensive software to the FBI. Took about six months for someone to crack the hash.

Now sell them version 2.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I worked for a company that made these. We sold expensive software to the FBI. Took about six months for someone to crack the hash.

What about a system that saves in some way the hash in a Blockchain, and if you, eg, XOR the hash of the video with the hash of the previous block you will "certainly" know that the video was created between the previous block and the block where the hash is saved in. That's a starting point.

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Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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i do wonder, that in the age where we have image and video creation out of the bag, whether or not this will result in whole classes of evidence becoming completely unreliable.

You should see what people were capable of in the darkroom, let alone before all this. You could always manipulate imagery ever since there was imagery to manipulate.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I wonder how many people have been unjustly imprisoned between planted evidence, made up evidence, and illegal parallel construction…

Consider all of that can be used for forced confessions and forced plea bargains also. In those cases, the "evidence" doesn't even need to exist at all, or be on the record in any way.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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post #23

i do wonder, that in the age where we have image and video creation out of the bag, whether or not this will result in whole classes of evidence becoming completely unreliable.

You should see what people were capable of in the darkroom, let alone before all this. You could always manipulate imagery ever since there was imagery to manipulate.

Big difference between that and writing an AI prompt.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I worked for a company that made these. We sold expensive software to the FBI. Took about six months for someone to crack the hash.

What about a system that saves in some way the hash in a Blockchain, and if you, eg, XOR the hash of the video with the hash of the previous block you will "certainly" know that the video was created between the previous block and the block where the hash is saved in. That's a starting point.

This sort of chain doesn't need PoW I take it, just a very secure police server to sign blocks.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I wonder how many people have been unjustly imprisoned between planted evidence, made up evidence, and illegal parallel construction…

Sadly, there's more evil and more laziness/incompetence in the world that's being accelerated by AI than there is good.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I worked for a company that made these. We sold expensive software to the FBI. Took about six months for someone to crack the hash.

What about a system that saves in some way the hash in a Blockchain, and if you, eg, XOR the hash of the video with the hash of the previous block you will "certainly" know that the video was created between the previous block and the block where the hash is saved in. That's a starting point.

that does nothing to verify authenticity

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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i do wonder, that in the age where we have image and video creation out of the bag, whether or not this will result in whole classes of evidence becoming completely unreliable.

I’m still shocked we have not seen an extremely convincing AI video of a famous person or world leader announcing something huge like UBI or WW3 or aliens.

Surely it’s just a matter of time.

Re: Police officer investigated for using AI to 'create evidence' in multiple cases

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I imagine in this age of blockchains you could embed into a media file a signature that proved it was no older than the timestamp of when it occurred, the digital equivalent of a hostage-proof-of-life photo with a recent newspaper But I don't know of a cryptographic mechanism to ensure that a digital image is not more recent than a particular time

Interesting, There aren't any newspapers left in my country, neither printed nor not printed. The closest you can find is the weekly advertising booklet here and there. Which is irrelevant now because a computer can either stich new content to an old picture, or entirely producing a custom picture. That would be a use case for a block chain. But I still don't understand how you are securing the integrity of the valid…

If you want to prove that "happened at or after this timestamp" you can use a randomness beacon. NIST[0] and others publish a random number every N minutes. Embed that (or a combination) of those seeds to prove that you observed this value. This does not work for the harder problem of proving an event happened before a timestamp.

[0] https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/interoperable-randomness-beac...

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