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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by toraway »

halJordan wrote: post #25
ls612 wrote: post #2

Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?

No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.

I still find it baffling how the idea that HN is "unashamedly anti-ai" gets repeated.

Every single model release gets submitted within minutes of an announcement and frequently break 1000+ points within an hour or two. Blog posts about vibe coding or the current flavor of harness/workflow/tool are constantly making the front page. Karpathy's latest writing/presentations or "Learn how LLMs work using X" are perennial front page content.

There were moments in 2023/2024 where all but a handful of posts on the front page were about AI (and not the Reddit r/popular "residents worried about infrasound and EM radiation near new datacenter" variety).

For example, the responses to this very recent post were overwhelmingly praising Gen AI's capabilities:

Ask HN: What was your "oh shit" moment with GenAI?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406174

Or this post which rocketed to 2000+ points a year ago without bothering to steel man opposing arguments:

My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44163063

There are counter examples of course but just because HN isn't exclusively AI hype at all times doesn't mean it's "unashamedly anti-AI".

I honestly can't think of any single topic other than the Snowden leaks in 2013/2014 that even comes close to dominating HN discussion like LLMs/GenAI from 2022 to present.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by throawayonthe »

yieldcrv wrote: post #36
ortekk wrote: post #19

With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models: - Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it. - Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at…

Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done From my perspective

i would call out reduction in extreme poverty or increased healthcare access or something but yeah the models are fine i guess

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by yieldcrv »

throawayonthe wrote: post #52
yieldcrv wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done From my perspective

i would call out reduction in extreme poverty or increased healthcare access or something but yeah the models are fine i guess

I don't consider mainland aspects to be "examples of their ideological system working for the world", it works for urban areas in China

and I don't really see their foreign investment to be doing that, I think it complements what the West has done and has high impact in areas that the West ignores or hasn't taken seriously for investment, only a history of pillaging and subsequently aid

their ideological system - usually in name alone - also relies on the whole world eventually being on it for it to work, so the models being so good and available for the people openly instead of as a closed source concoction fits really well

that's what I see and how I got there, what do you see?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by deklesen »

satvikpendem wrote: post #15

Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.

... really? are you sure about the timezones? That's kind of odd, isn't it?

Maybe the post was edited afterwards?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by SilverElfin »

ls612 wrote: post #2

Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?

I don’t think we will know. On the one hand, labs hold back until they have something competitive enough to release. So if Fable isn’t around, it removes that pressure. On the other hand, the Chinese labs have been moving fast anyways and are obviously behind, so it’s not any more of a problem to release a model that isn’t the very best.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by unshavedyak »

1f60c wrote: post #16
radious wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real news here is that Digg is still up :O

It came back, died, and now it's back as some kind of weird AI-focused news aggregator.

which is hilarious because i was excited when i heard Digg was coming back. Many platforms are having a difficult time with bots, mass thread manipulation, etc. I'd be interested in a platform which attempted to fix that problem. I thought that was "so obvious" that i figured it was going to exactly be Digg's play. .. nope, just another AI play, as if we are missing those these days.

No idea if zero AI/bots is even possible, but at least an attempt would have me interested. A platform like Reddit/Digg of old, offering human connection, features aimed at less toxicity, etc.

Instead they give us this AI crap :s

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by holoduke »

ortekk wrote: post #19

With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models: - Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it. - Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at…

Is this comical satire or what? I am surprised to see such a dillusional reply. Come on. Intellectual property theft and openai rings a bell? Ethics? Ever tried uncensored versions of gemma4? LLMs have no bad or good etics. Etics are a thin layer on top. Always. You must be joking.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by holoduke »

It would be so extremely awesome if this ai would have been a Claude killer alternative and 90% of Europe cancels Claude subscriptions and subscribe on this one. It would be the dumbest move of the year by the US.
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