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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by wahnfrieden »

dathinab wrote: post #199
bagels wrote: post #59

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The US Government is the entity that weaponizes the data. The most obvious example is the Census Bureau compiling lists of people of Japanese descent to imprison during WWII. That's just the most obvious one that I know of without looking up more. The real push for this now is to form lists of people to disenfranchise.

yeah, and implicitly force them to sell the land they own for less then it's worth, which in combination with setting up very messed up tax related laws in some states (1) which highly benefit you if you bought land longer in the past effectively "killed" a budding, wealthy, land owning Asian community and made sure it can't really regrow in that form. (1): I think it was mainly California, but don't remember full

Canada also did this to its Japanese

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Post by throwawa1 »

LPisGood wrote: post #82
throwawa1 wrote: post #77

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As planned by whom?

The Epstein class. Bankers, Zionists who lost their civilization and Temple 2000 years ago:

A good google search to view art owned by one family: "Artist funded by de Rothschild's depicts racial violence and rape themes"

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Post by dualvariable »

DrewADesign wrote: post #227
dualvariable wrote: post #168

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> The whole idea of "third-party voting is a complete waste in the US" is incredibly dumb because a vote for someone who loses isn't a wasted vote. It shows the others that there's a voter there who can be convinced if catered to, if they select a better candidate. Tried that in 2000, voting for Nader as a protest vote against Clinton/Gore third way neoliberalism. I did that in a state where the electoral votes for D…

The legislative seats are barely more malleable than the executive ones, and they’re a lot cheaper to buy off. Even with grassroots efforts to elect local candidates and move them up, it takes a perfect storm to actually get someone that’s even modestly different than the empty suits that largely fill those seats already. I have zero faith in this system to execute anything other than purchased policy agendas, or emp…

The Republicans were successful with the Tea Party in taking over the House and the Presidency, that's a model which I'd argue is really proven to work in our two party system because we all just literally watched it play out in real-time.

Arguing against that, probably comes from a cynical neoliberal perspective where the Democratic Party can't change because the argument assumes that the Democratic Party can't change.

And the alternative is definitely outright fascism and the suspension of Democracy. They've told us what they're planning on doing, just like we knew they wanted to get rid of Roe vs. Wade, we just accepted the lies about it being settled law and a political football.

If you're not willing to vote against that, then you're comfortably middle class and don't think you'll be one of the ones that are going to be hurt.

I've voted against Trump 3 times and threw money behind trying to get Sanders the nomination in 2020 instead of Biden, so when all the horrible stuff has been going down this term I don't have to tie myself in knots with rationalizations about my actions.

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Post by sosomoxie »

estearum wrote: post #102
whattheheckheck wrote: post #70

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What's the actual antidote to this? 5calls.org?

Voting and getting everyone you know to vote

Definitely not, you may, at best, shift the problems to someone else. Both of "our" political parties are beyond redemption and cannot be reformed (if they were very not terrible in the first place). The only thing that will change outcomes is direct action and I'm including limitless scaling of that including the armed defense of your ideals.

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by michelb »

asolove wrote: post #13

The replies here arguing we should publish it all are wild in the worst kind of first-order thinking way. It’s a census: it just asks questions. If you start publishing and weaponizing the data against people with various attributes, they’ll just lie or not answer. And then you are left with worse than nothing: bad data people try to act on.

Imagine the weaponization possibilities when combining the census data with Amazon’s and Meta’s data, and possibly several other datasets readily available to this administration. Whatever is missing from one of them can be inferred or defined from the others. This might already be happening, it can’t be checked. Some (former) dictators would be salivating.

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Post by Jiro »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #205
patrick451 wrote: post #163

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No, they are doing everything they can to ensure that only the people who are legally allowed to vote are the ones voting.

> they are doing everything they can to ensure that only the people who are legally allowed to vote are the ones voting Illegal voting is so rare that almost every time folks go looking for it they come up empty handed. Examples of voter suppression, on the other hand, are trivial to fine. (And both parties do it, particularly around primaries.) In my state, we’re trying to enact a citizenship-proof requirement which…

Illegal voting is "rare" because the system is set up so that it is in most cases impossible to detect.

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Post by [deleted] »

deaux wrote: post #138
p-e-w wrote: post #111

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Turnout in the past few elections was already extraordinarily high. Clearly this isn’t the answer. And neither is protesting, considering that 4 of the 5 largest demonstrations in US history happened in the past 10 years and achieved nothing.

> Turnout in the past few elections was already extraordinarily high. In a sense, this in itself is the issue. It's long-term _worse_ to vote for the "lesser of two serious evils". This extreme "long-term pain for short-term gain" attitude is what's gotten the US to where it is. If in 2016 of 2024 even 20% of the dems would've stayed home or voted third party, the DNC's continuous forcing of awful corpocrats with zer…

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Post by dgellow »

p-e-w wrote: post #111
estearum wrote: post #102

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Voting and getting everyone you know to vote

Turnout in the past few elections was already extraordinarily high. Clearly this isn’t the answer. And neither is protesting, considering that 4 of the 5 largest demonstrations in US history happened in the past 10 years and achieved nothing.

Protesting one weekend day every 6 months will obviously do nothing. The pressure needs to be non stop

Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #67
bagels wrote: post #59

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The US Government is the entity that weaponizes the data. The most obvious example is the Census Bureau compiling lists of people of Japanese descent to imprison during WWII. That's just the most obvious one that I know of without looking up more. The real push for this now is to form lists of people to disenfranchise.

Does anyone actually believe this crap? You think the census is what the government would use to mass identify and imprison people, not the NSA database(s)? You think homeland security, or the FBI, or any other alphabet agency doesn't already have access to a giant list of people? Think about what meta knows about everyone, or Google. You do realize that the US gov has read access to their core databases right? "The…

> Think about what meta knows about everyone, or Google.

Not everybody uses it and not everybody who uses it uses it naively enough to give access to useful identity info.

What's shocking is how people keep finding excuses. "what about Meta" is not one

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

cj wrote: post #85
smrtinsert wrote: post #75

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Even at a quick glance this doesn't make any sense. The census is literally how they get the data. Where else would it come from? Drones? Every computer being hacked Michael Bay style?

Data mining companies? Don’t forget there’s an entire industry that exists solely for this purpose.

You’d be surprised how bad/incomplete the data usually is and how much work it takes to make those datasets really useful or reliable.

That’s one reason Xoom Info was able to sell for a billion dollars and even their data has a lot of junk

Having well curated detailed census data would be a major boon for the data brokers

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