Just wait until DeepSeek or another Chinese lab drops something with similar capability next couple months. And without any guardrails. See what happens then.
Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
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#42> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?
> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?
No.
Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings.
I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher.
You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#43Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.
Amazon has up to 33 billion in Antrophic, but up to 50 billion in OpenAI. They need keep both of them in balance, to mitigate the threat of being disintermediated.
Amazon isn't just going to sit by while $33 billion is set on fire.
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#44> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?
> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.
I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.
I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.
> I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.
Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure.
You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#46First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. However, I am unable to verify if this is related to them doing secretive prompt injection. Opus 4.8 is far more powerful in that regard. As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in…
$6000 of usage in three days???
Everybody needs a hobby
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#47Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.
Amazon has up to 33 billion in Antrophic, but up to 50 billion in OpenAI. They need keep both of them in balance, to mitigate the threat of being disintermediated.
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#48Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?
Everyone is assuming this isn't a positive outcome for Anthropic. Think about the optics: everyone was shitting on Anthropic for silently downgrading Fable. Now that is forgotten, they have a chance to spend a week or two revising their approach, then will come out with a "Gov't approved" version and life goes on. Most importantly, Anthropic has been too "uppity" and needed to be put in their place by the powers that…
> Everyone is assuming this isn't a positive outcome for Anthropic
It’s not. Shitting on or not, Fable was being used and clearly folks were running up bills. This is political retribution against Anthropic, pure and simple. The fact that Anthropic may be able to spin that doesn’t change what it fundamentally is.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#49First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. However, I am unable to verify if this is related to them doing secretive prompt injection. Opus 4.8 is far more powerful in that regard. As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in…
$6000 of usage in three days???
Crazy to think that people in some places in the world work for $2 per day. Jailbraking fable is economically equivalent to the labor of a thousand people.
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#50I feel obligated to ask: Is Jassy competent enough to argue for or against on anything here? I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.
He has smart people working for him whom he can rely on.
Competent underlings just means that delegation works to make him look better, it doesn't make him or his actions any smarter or more effective.