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Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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I don’t know man, never heard about Finnish people decimating a population, starving kids, subverting countries, toppling governments... I’ve been in Finland last year and they’re so nice.

Maybe not to that level, but the Sámi people have faced their share of hardships.

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They also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capitalists to support profit at any cost.

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Anyone can name themselves anything. Would you say that the Democratic Republic of the Congo is indeed democratic? I am going to guess not.

'Socialism' was rather popular in the early part of the 20th century and National Socialism was a right wing response to that, hence the marketing name.

It was very much corporatist/pro capitalist in its policies and suppressed anything remotely socialist within its borders.

But I suspect you knew that.

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Not to be confused with Blackrock or Blackstone, both large American investment companies with their own shady operations.

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If you all would shut your hateful traps for a year or so, we might be able to have a productive discussion about what a horror show the Israeli government has become. But we can’t because you all have to pop up out of gopher holes thinking we are antisemitic too and the whole process starts over again because this sort of useful idiot provides cover to the defenders of these war crimes.

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>Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that. Are you saying that this isn't political? It's literally about politics. The comments section will be predictable and it will be flagged for that. Do you disagree?

I do not disagree that there is a political aspect to this article. Todays news on Fable and Mythos are political too. HN has plenty of political articles, yet some are more flagged than others. I claim there might be a pattern of supression. Are arguing against my main point that it would be good to have more transparency so I can support or refute my claim?

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Which government are you comparing to?

Any other small country? You rarely read about Finland spying on other nations, or trying to influence their politics. There is the AIPAC, I challenge you to find anything similar from any other country.

From https://www.opensecrets.org/

Totals since 2016 Country Total Spending China $562,676,323 Japan $504,111,211 Liberia $432,968,270 Saudi Arabia $421,890,448 Marshall Islands $382,012,024 South Korea $363,237,700 Bahamas $293,205,139 United Arab Emirates $269,529,107 Qatar $269,260,794 Israel $215,168,616

So for small countries UAE and Qatar(no surprise here, they just gifted 1 billion airplane to Trump)

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This is fantastic. This is what I'm going to say next time I work on military tech.

It's from the old Tom Lehrer song, "Wernher von Braun."

I've never seen someone take it as a suggestion before.

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Your PM Netanyahu is a disaster. Your religious hardliners seem to love him. Even someone neutral to sympathetic can’t help but look on in disgust at your PM and his supporters. Edit: The point being that it tarnishes everything that Israel does, and makes fault-finding way too easy.

Let's not pin it all on Netanyuhu, he is a good representation of his society.

As is Trump for Americans.

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> There's a lot of offensive security talent, but this has nothing to do with Palestinians. Israeli intelligence is very advanced and is why Israel has been able to eliminate the leaders of Hezbollah and Iran. Not everything in Israel is about or related to Palestinians. I would suggest to you that the focus on Iran is because Iran is perceived as being an obstacle to Israeli hegemony in the region and thus undispute…

> over Palestinian territory This could mean anything from a couple of ghettos to all of the modern state of Israel depending on what you think Palestinian territory is or should be. If you take the approach that all of it is Palestinian territory and the state of Israel shouldn't exist, then yeah, sure? that's different from the assertion that all of the intelligence related businesses in Israel are founded because…

> If you take the approach that all of it is Palestinian territory and the state of Israel shouldn't exist, then yeah, sure?

You know there's such a thing as internationally recognized Palestinian territory occupied by Israel, right?

Start with that, instead of deploying the 'do you want Israel to not exist' deflection tactic.

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This person is either willfully ignorant, or an actual fascist attempting to blur the line. This exact line of thought has been used for decades to subvert the actual history of the Nazi party and their co-operation with corporations, undermining of labor unions, assault on socialist groups via their brown shirts, etc. This is a fascist talking point. It doesn't matter where the user possibly derived it from. The "Na…

The libertarian / Randite strand of American hyper-capitalist ideology is ascendant and somewhat hegemonic in North American political education in schools and the like and it defines as "socialist" anything which involves "the government." To the point that we have people complaining in earnest that things Trump is doing that don't fit their Milton Friedman vibes are "socialist."

It deliberately strips the "social" part out of the ideological framing and replaces it with the state.

Which is also helped by the fact that "actual existing socialism" in the USSR etc did the same.

Also doesn't help that there has been effectively no organized socialist political presence in American politics (apart from the DSA pushing on the Democrats left wing, and Sanders I guess). This means that American politics reduces completely to a false "liberal" ("left" somehow) vs "conservative" dichotomy, both labels which don't describe anything about what they are anymore.

I've watched so many Americans get squirrely online when I've tried to draw a line on my own political viewpoint; no, I'm not liberal, I'm a socialist. This breaks their brains. Does not compute. Increasingly unfortunately here in Canada as well, partially as the NDP's unfortunate willingness to prop up Trudeau's Liberals when they were a minority.

I sometimes feel like we just need new, untainted, words.

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