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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by Eisenstein »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #128
Eisenstein wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also: * People who understand that the existence of the organization is necessary for the goals of the organization

That is rarely true. If an organization ceases to exist but people still have the same goal then they create a new organization or act individually without an incorporated bureaucracy. On the contrary, the existence of a mismanaged organization nominally dedicated to a given purpose often prevents its nominal goal from being achieved, because people assume giving time or money to that organization will be the best wa…

You think that it is practical for teachers to abolish school districts and create their own?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by oriolid »

47282847 wrote: post #113
setopt wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably meant UX, which is arguably similar between implementations.

Like “the UX of HTTP is horrible”? Still doesn’t make any sense. Discord could well run on top of IRC the protocol and be open to federation without any change of UX.

Netsplits, missed messages and bot wars over channel and nick ownership were an integral part of IRC UX, and they were direct consequences the IRC protocol. If Discord was run on top of IRC protocol, it would have the same. Discord would probably be its own network and the people who prefer IRCnet, EFnet or QuakeNet would never touch it.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by crote »

dollylambda wrote: post #112
AlienRobot wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been a while since I last used IRC, but afaik one of the issues with it was that servers revealed the IP address of users to every other user by default. Since the IP is geographic that's one piece of information you could use to doxx someone.

There are many ways to mask your "real" ip address, VPN being an easy start.

The fact that this is needed at all is a serious problem. Making people who aren't aware of some obscure details accidentally doxx themselves is incredibly user-hostile.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by crote »

gsich wrote: post #102
aboardRat4 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC's UI is horrible. (Like email.) No wonder people don't want to join it. (Saying that as someome who has his own bouncer.)

It's a skill check.

It's gatekeeping. Don't be surprised when your pet project slowly dies because potential new contributors choose to join less hostile communities instead.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by ssssksk »

Mozilla continues to exist because Google funds them, and Google funds them so they can claim that their Chrome browser isn't a monopoly.

That's why Firefox continues to be a niche browser. Its actual goal, never outright stated by Mozilla leadership, is to occupy just enough market share to prop up their behemoth benefactor.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by vbernat »

ahartmetz wrote: post #30
vbernat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Options have a maintenance cost. Pulseaudio is the current Linux audio stack, like plain ALSA was before when it replaced OSS.

The current one is PipeWire (it's much better)

But PulseAudio API is still the "standard".

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by rapnie »

red_admiral wrote: post #12
shevy-java wrote: post #3

> We're a niche browser that is lucky enough to get well funded. Now - we really need a viable alternative to the Evil Google Empire. For a while I had hope that ladybird would be that competitor, but that died after I was banned from github, as well as Kling making some really strange decisions in the last year or so, with weird explanations; most recent one the "we don't need external contributors so we close that…

Hey, we have the evil Microsoft empire :) Or the Apple alternative. Maintaining a browser engine including patching the latest vulnerabilities when someone points Mythos at your code is a really hard problem, my feeling is you need a certain size of organization and funding as your table stakes. Someone should convince the EU to look into funding a new browser, maybe.

Servo [0] is EU funded via NLnet. You can build a browser from that.

[0] https://servo.org/

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

samiv wrote: post #29

Why can't people just leave? What compels them to write these lengthy self grandiosing posts "zomg I'm leaving company X".

I would say about 99% of the population views software corporations as these monolithic inhuman cubes of pure shitanium. What these posts are important for is

1: reminding the average population that corporations are just abstract human pyramids and made up of normal people.

And

2: doing that through a very human, biased, and filtered perspective that can provide some genuine insight into the function of these opaque systems.

Now, does the average consumer of hacker news get all that? Probably not, but I do think insider perspective is still valuable.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Eisenstein wrote: post #151
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is rarely true. If an organization ceases to exist but people still have the same goal then they create a new organization or act individually without an incorporated bureaucracy. On the contrary, the existence of a mismanaged organization nominally dedicated to a given purpose often prevents its nominal goal from being achieved, because people assume giving time or money to that organization will be the best wa…

You think that it is practical for teachers to abolish school districts and create their own?

You seem to be questioning the possibility of private schools existing when they obviously do. Moreover, you could have publicly funded education without having a state-operated school bureaucracy, or without that bureaucracy having a monopoly on the funding.
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