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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by trimethylpurine » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:41 AM UTC

dxdm wrote: post #239

sharperguy wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a two party system, do you vote for the party that promises small government and never delivers, or the party that promises bigger government and does delive?

There's vastly more to politics than that. There's even more to "small" vs "big" government than that, or to who really promises and delivers what. This convenient reduction to handy little words obscures all that, to the point where it stops mapping to reality in a meaningful way. It's a fictional abstraction. If anything, your question reduces to making one party sound incompetent or deceitful, I don't know if that…

> There's vastly more to politics than that.

I thought so in my teens. But now I know that I was naive. How can you be sure that you're not?

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by gwerbin » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:42 AM UTC

redox99 wrote: post #247

temporaryacc2 wrote: post #117

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Maybe because Dario was actually reasoning through potential risks, rather than blindly thinking everything will be okay?

Thinking GPT2 was too dangerous is and was absurd.

It's dramatic for sure, but at the time it was genuinely alarming to think through the implications of a machine being able to generate plausibly human-authored text. I think many of the alarming implications have in fact come to pass, and the world is a more strange and dangerous place than it was before.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by zkmon » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:50 AM UTC

> run a ton of agents in parallel most of the time

What makes you think everyone (and government) should play along and align with your way of dependency on AI? Not even 1% of the people use AI the way you do. Fable model is not a basic need. Government represents the average Joe. You could also say "I make a ton of nuke weapons and this government has stopped the public sharing of how to make them!".

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by Havoc » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:51 AM UTC

>This was announced on 5:21 PM on a Friday. Sorta a suspicious time. Whenever someone does something intentionally on a Friday evening, my first thought is ‘o, the markets.’

The insider trading kleptocrat has found a new toy

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by ycombinary » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:52 AM UTC

modeless wrote: post #22

> But this government [...] I'm hearing a lot of this kind of thing. "Oh if only it was a different government". I'm sorry, but when you cry out for government involvement, it's not always going to be coming from the government you personally wanted. This is the whole problem with government involvement! I don't think that message is getting through, but it's the real lesson that should be learned here.

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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by hmokiguess » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:55 AM UTC

My theory is that this is about setting up a precedent for control, the "foreign" framing is especially revealing in this direction imo. Lots of countries are discussing "Sovereignty AI strategies" right now. The weird part for me is the 30 days retention change, if this was a calculated theatre, then what part did that play? Wondering if that was also an ask from the govt just not disclosed by them.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by ako » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:55 AM UTC

schrototo wrote: post #46

modeless wrote: post #22

> But this government [...] I'm hearing a lot of this kind of thing. "Oh if only it was a different government". I'm sorry, but when you cry out for government involvement, it's not always going to be coming from the government you personally wanted. This is the whole problem with government involvement! I don't think that message is getting through, but it's the real lesson that should be learned here.

But in democracy you do get to say which government you want.

Yes, you get to say what you want, but that doesn’t mean you get what you want. With millions of people all saying something different, nobody gets exactly what they want.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by ako » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:57 AM UTC

graemep wrote: post #187

graemep wrote: post #172

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That is true in the US, but that is not typical. I cannot think of another democracy that is as firmly two party as the US. Even the UK which I felt was too two party has always had some smaller parties (for many decades the Liberals, and then the Lib Dems, and Northern Irish parties), many smaller ones more recently (add the Scottish and Welsh Nationalists) and with two smaller parties gaining a lot of ground in the…

To add, the multiple parties in the UK just means I have more choices that are not close to my political views!

Apparently not enough people want what you want, that is also democracy, accepting that things other people want can be prioritized,

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by popularrecluse » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:59 AM UTC

pembrook wrote: post #140

Aeolun wrote: post #102

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I’m pretty certain that most of my issues are with a specific kind of government, not with government in general. Government is fine if it’s done by people that aren’t in it only for themselves. Actually it is often still fine if it’s done by people only in it for themselves. It’s just that the people in it right now will burn the world down to enrich themselves.

> "Government is fine if it’s done by people that aren’t in it only for themselves." Academic studies consistently show that people attracted to a career in politics (regardless of affiliation) score higher on "Dark Triad" personality traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy). And even for the non-sociopaths, the problem with humans is instinctively we ARE only in it for ourselves and our family. Anyone…

Some people are wired such that altruism makes them feel good and gives them a sense of purpose. Maybe it's evolutionary, but it doesn't change the fact that they don't think of it as 'virtue signalling' or personal gain when they do it.

In fact the ones who can only classify the behavior as such because they can't even comprehend it look like the real sociopaths.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by embedding-shape » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 11:02 AM UTC

mkl95 wrote: post #221

dxuh wrote: post #64

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I think it should be noted that the current government, which did this silly thing, belongs to a party that is pretty much advertising on wanting to be a smaller government that gets involved less. That is a large part of why people vote for them.

> belongs to a party that is pretty much advertising on wanting to be a smaller government that gets involved less. It's the other way around. Americans voted for Trump hoping he'd improve the country's economy and address the cost-of-living crisis. For example, one of the main proposals was to make ICE bigger and use it to deport as many people as possible, hoping it'd give back jobs to Americans. Another key propos…

> Americans voted for Trump hoping

There was like 70 million Americans who voted for Trump, most likely for a wide range of reasons, and sometimes multiple reasons and sometimes probably even conflicting reasons. People are complicated, saying that half a country did something because of some few reasons usually over-simplifies so much it gets harder for you to actually understand what is happening/happened.