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Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by free652 »

WhatsName wrote: post #35

I predict that this will be flagged very soon. I would love for HN to publish some data on likes/flags, even anonymous IDs with some infos like account age and number of posts. Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that.

>Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that.

Are you saying that this isn't political? It's literally about politics. The comments section will be predictable and it will be flagged for that.

Do you disagree?

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

Matl wrote: post #31

Last time I suggested on a similar story that there's a disproportionate number of firms in Israel with an explicit focus on subversion, manipulation, spying and malware, seemingly because a large portion of the Israeli population gain a certain expertise in these fields as part of serving in the IDF and working to suppress Palestinians, I got accused of bias because apparently there's many more Israeli startups work…

The Nazis did a ton of cutting edge research too.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by tdeck »

Matl wrote: post #31

Last time I suggested on a similar story that there's a disproportionate number of firms in Israel with an explicit focus on subversion, manipulation, spying and malware, seemingly because a large portion of the Israeli population gain a certain expertise in these fields as part of serving in the IDF and working to suppress Palestinians, I got accused of bias because apparently there's many more Israeli startups work…

Regardless of what good things other Israeli companies might be doing, it's clear that the Israeli government doesn't have a problem with these malware / spyware companies.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by orwin »

mschuster91 wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's an interesting article because on the one hand, PR firm doing PR and that doesn't seem very newsworthy. On the other hand, there is an extremely good case that the firms doing PR in French elections should be French PR firms and responsive to French law enforcement. Ditto Scotland and New York. I can't find an angle where it looks like a good idea to tolerate well organised and financed foreign guns for hir…

> Although I do think throwing "pro-Palestine" in is a cheap insinuation. Pretty much everyone is against genocide. It doesn't tell us much about why they might be targeted for a smear campaign. The question if there is a genocide isn't settled, either. There are credible arguments for both viewpoints when it comes to the current iteration of the Palestine conflict.

Forced displacement and systematic art/books destruction, I don't need more arguments tbh.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by RobotToaster »

shevy-java wrote: post #4

Is the USA finally doing something about foreign lobbyists here? Trump is like the ultimate tool here for foreigners to gain influence, no matter the country. Yuri explained this already in the 1980s (!!!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk (it's the KGB view, so biased too, of course, but if you extend it, then also connect it to Epstein, you have basically undermined democracy effectively; a shame Yuri is…

Nope, foreign lobbyists in the guise of AIPAC spent record amounts to primary Thomas Massie.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by WhatsName »

free652 wrote: post #41
WhatsName wrote: post #35

I predict that this will be flagged very soon. I would love for HN to publish some data on likes/flags, even anonymous IDs with some infos like account age and number of posts. Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that.

>Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that. Are you saying that this isn't political? It's literally about politics. The comments section will be predictable and it will be flagged for that. Do you disagree?

I do not disagree that there is a political aspect to this article. Todays news on Fable and Mythos are political too. HN has plenty of political articles, yet some are more flagged than others.

I claim there might be a pattern of supression. Are arguing against my main point that it would be good to have more transparency so I can support or refute my claim?

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by Matl »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #40
Matl wrote: post #31

Last time I suggested on a similar story that there's a disproportionate number of firms in Israel with an explicit focus on subversion, manipulation, spying and malware, seemingly because a large portion of the Israeli population gain a certain expertise in these fields as part of serving in the IDF and working to suppress Palestinians, I got accused of bias because apparently there's many more Israeli startups work…

Remilk is an Israeli food-tech startup using yeasts to produce milk proteins. Frankly I find your comment rather odd, why should a startup be more loud because other people are biased? Diplomacy is the job of the state. We have innovative index on which Israel does well and large number of unicorn per capita.

> why should a startup be more loud because other people are biased? Diplomacy is the job of the state.

I agree with you that it is the job of the state to do diplomacy, I would argue that the Israeli state has done an extremely poor job at that, so it may be left to some of its greener industry to pick up the slack, unfortunately.

Not because they 'have to' but because they would want to if they want to expand abroad and not get overshadowed by the bad PR the Israeli state is so good at putting out.

I disagree with you that 'other people are biased'.

One of the reasons Israeli soft power is so weak at the moment is precisely because its diplomats always insist everyone is just simply biased against Israel, often invoking some thousands year old hatred of its people etc. rather than for one second introspecting on the fact that the actions of the state may indeed have something to do with that perceived bias.

It should indeed be the job of Israeli diplomats to work and promote Israel in the best light possible

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by bluealienpie »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #43
Matl wrote: post #31

Last time I suggested on a similar story that there's a disproportionate number of firms in Israel with an explicit focus on subversion, manipulation, spying and malware, seemingly because a large portion of the Israeli population gain a certain expertise in these fields as part of serving in the IDF and working to suppress Palestinians, I got accused of bias because apparently there's many more Israeli startups work…

The Nazis did a ton of cutting edge research too.

They also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capitalists to support profit at any cost.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by bluealienpie »

WhatsName wrote: post #47
free652 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sure someome will argue things here get flagged cause they are political, but I don't buy that. Are you saying that this isn't political? It's literally about politics. The comments section will be predictable and it will be flagged for that. Do you disagree?

I do not disagree that there is a political aspect to this article. Todays news on Fable and Mythos are political too. HN has plenty of political articles, yet some are more flagged than others. I claim there might be a pattern of supression. Are arguing against my main point that it would be good to have more transparency so I can support or refute my claim?

The purpose is support enterprises which have investment in genocide, the free speech nature of this website was always questionable at best.
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