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The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because eventually you'll get to the point where you've too much work to do and there's not enough people to delegate it to. Hope you like being overworked!

It's a self-solving problem, though. At that point, every remaining senior+ engineer will be paid a bajillion dollars (like they are now) and companies will start to invest in actual training.

That worked so well for the finance system finding new Cobol programmers!

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#52
my son asked me just that today - should I even go to the uni. The idea is probably circulating somewhere. It is changing for sure but still important. Maybe he will learn new things. Or old things differently. It's not like education becomes suddenly redundant.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#53
post #40

Im quite bullish on CS degrees, they equip you with a network and the general "vibe" of being in a common environment with other smart passionate kids that push you to challenge yourself also right now nothing is higher signal than a new grad who built a product with actual paying users

> who built a product with actual paying users

How could this possibly signal competence? I think it just signals capital and free time.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#54

If you’re going to get a CS degree, do it in a master’s degree program. Get your undergraduate degree in anything else that involves at least some mathematics, I’d recommend physics, chemistry, molecular biology, planetary sciences - probability, calculus, linear algebra. Engineering is somewhat more on the vocational side, but that works too. Why? You don’t narrow your scope at the beginning!

Isn't it normal to study mathematics in a computer science bachelor program in USA?

That country never ceases to astonish me lol.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently placed unemployment for recent CS graduates in the United States at 6.1 percent, with computer engineering graduates at 7.5 percent. Compared to philosophy majors at 3.2 percent and art history graduates at 3.0 percent, those figures look alarming. Alarming doesn’t begin to describe it. This is an existential crises for our industry. The situation for entry level has be…

https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... (note: Latest Release: February 4, 2026, based on data from 2024) Yes, this has unemployment computer engineering at #2 with 7.8% and computer science at #5 at 7.0%. Philosophy is at 5.1% unemployment. The next column is also important to look at - the underemployment rate. Is the graduate in a profession that requires the degree. The underemployment rat…

I'm glad you pointed this out because I think the difference is due to philosophy grads being ready and willing to enter the workforce as a welder or an au pair or a restaurant manager, whereas a CS grad is gonna hold out for a CS job.

Source: all the B.A. Philosophy grads I know who entered basically any job they could get, often including the trades, and knew during their degree that that would be their path. But wow are they more interesting to talk with and more well rounded than a tech-head who turned up their nose at their humanities prereqs during university and as a result know nothing about the world outside of their narrow field.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#56

My impression is that in the past year or so, IEEE journals have been leaning pretty heavily into low-quality, AI-generated articles. And looks like this author produced not one, not two, but three career advice columns in a single day - impressive: https://spectrum.ieee.org/u/brian-jenney

Good sleuthing, this really lowers the IEEE's quality in my eyes

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#57

I agree with the "what" but not with the "how". The article essentially says that, for a junior to be hired, they should demonstrate the same experience as a senior: deploy real system that solve real problems, know how systems behave in production, etc. That is precisely the skillset that someone builds up in a professional environment, i.e. after being hired. In my view and experience (20+ years in the field) the v…

I think interest rates have a lot to do with that mindset. If you view a Jr engineer as a long term investment (in 18 months you get an SDE 2 who knows your business), that's much easier to justify when borrowing money is close to free.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#58
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> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently placed unemployment for recent CS graduates in the United States at 6.1 percent, with computer engineering graduates at 7.5 percent. Compared to philosophy majors at 3.2 percent and art history graduates at 3.0 percent, those figures look alarming. Alarming doesn’t begin to describe it. This is an existential crises for our industry. The situation for entry level has be…

Such a correction was always going to happen. Coders always were the blue-collar workers of the 21st century, and capital ruthlessly optimises for profit. Where you once needed thousands of workers to run an assembly line, you now have dozens; where you once needed hundreds of programmers to run a big SaaS, you will now have a handful. It was always inevitable.

That doesn't mean we're all dead or anything - factory workers still exist, developer jobs will still exist. They'll just be far fewer than they used to be.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#59
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... (note: Latest Release: February 4, 2026, based on data from 2024) Yes, this has unemployment computer engineering at #2 with 7.8% and computer science at #5 at 7.0%. Philosophy is at 5.1% unemployment. The next column is also important to look at - the underemployment rate. Is the graduate in a profession that requires the degree. The underemployment rat…

I'm glad you pointed this out because I think the difference is due to philosophy grads being ready and willing to enter the workforce as a welder or an au pair or a restaurant manager, whereas a CS grad is gonna hold out for a CS job. Source: all the B.A. Philosophy grads I know who entered basically any job they could get, often including the trades, and knew during their degree that that would be their path. But w…

Philosophy major here that went from working in a bakery, to sales at a large apparel printing company, to writing and marketing at startups.

I do wonder if CS grads are too often narrowly focused on “tech” companies and not on companies that need software.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#60
post #53
post #40

Im quite bullish on CS degrees, they equip you with a network and the general "vibe" of being in a common environment with other smart passionate kids that push you to challenge yourself also right now nothing is higher signal than a new grad who built a product with actual paying users

> who built a product with actual paying users How could this possibly signal competence? I think it just signals capital and free time.

There is a weird assumption nowadays that “making money = you’re an expert and know what you’re doing.” The best X is the one that makes the most cash, full stop.

Very scary for the future, unfortunately.

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