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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Any reason to think that open models will not catch up, given enough time?

Chinese model companies are already beginning to close, instead of opening. The latest big Qwen models are not open, for example. And it doesn't look like they will be, either.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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OP point out that OpenAI used the "too dangerous to release" marketing ploy with GPT-2... Positioning this as "both sides" have played this card. But at this time Dario was at OpenAI and was a co-author on the GPT-2 research paper announcing the model. The "too dangerous to release" approach has been him the whole time, at both companies.

Dario's brain child

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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What a coincidence, Anthropic getting handicapped so xAI can try to catch up

XAI rents out compute to anthropic. I feel like Sam Altman is behind this that little rat.

How is that going to help him? "Our models are so inferior they are not deemed a threat unlike anthropic's"?

I think it is either a missile directed at anthropic, as retribution for not giving the DoD what it wants, in which case it is likely to resolve pretty quickly. Or it is a shift of policy toward export restrictions on powerful LLM and then every model will be impacted as they reach the threshold. In which case this could have massive implications of revenues, valuations, and the whole datacenter buildout. And frankly on the location of the white collar workforce if it is indeed a productivity multiplier, all countries reciprocate, and not all countries can match the US LLMs.

And why would the EU allow exports of chip manufacturing equipment if the US then restricts the export of derivatives of those chips to the EU?

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mistral in the EU, for one.

Unfortunately Mistral is not close to the frontier. Their last release Mistral Medium 3.5 128B is near the performance[0] of QWEN-3.6-27B, a much smaller model that was released earlier. It's good that they exist, and I hope they catch up, but if you don't have origin constraints for your use case I don't see why you would chose their models today. [0]: On the only benchmark they both published performance results -…

Within Spec Driven Development style coding for me Claude Sonnet 4.5 was the game changer and Mistral is I believe at that level already. GLM is allegedly also on par with even some of the Opus models, so if the US vendors would vanish tomorrow, there would be alternatives. Would I miss Opus 4.8 and the Claude Code harness? of course I would! But the world wouldn't stop.

What I am trying to get at is that the frontier is great, but you can be fine with less as well.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in democracy you do get to say which government you want.

US is in almost no way democratic. There is not enough unity for that. The idea and reasoning behind Democracy was that a people (i.e. a demos) rules itself. But in US there is no longer one people, and it's fracturing even faster and more.

All the more reason to let states and local governments do more. Rather than a unitary congress or executive that only 1/2 the people (+/-) like.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask a recent college grad if the world is drastically different today then when they started college.

If you mean employment, the world is different because of rising debt, declining economies, and a crazy leader currently in charge of the most powerful country on the planet. If you asked me when I graduated if the world was drastically different from when I first entered university I would also say yes, and I graduated well before GPT2.

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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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> But this government [...] I'm hearing a lot of this kind of thing. "Oh if only it was a different government". I'm sorry, but when you cry out for government involvement, it's not always going to be coming from the government you personally wanted. This is the whole problem with government involvement! I don't think that message is getting through, but it's the real lesson that should be learned here.

Of course the tired follow-up: “But if the government was functioning properly it would only do the things I want”.

And the logical interpretation of that statement would be "if a government doesn't do things I want, it's not functioning properly".
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